Even bitcoin leads to digital IDs and biometrics.
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It does though. It can be avoided, and this is the only path available, but success as we imagine it is not guaranteed.
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Bitcoin is the only path that has a chance of righting the wrongs committed by statism/fiat. Other paths exist, but they all fall short. Bitcoin is it.
But that doesn't mean we get to control how the state responds. The state exists for the sake of power. Everything else is just advertising - power is the point. They won't relinquish power willingly.
When enough people understand that bitcoin makes them uncontrollable and use it in a sovereign way, the state will respond by using force in a concentrated manner - as it always does. It can't strike millions of dispersed individuals. It will look to infrastructure. It will say you can't receive a payment from employment unless its to a registered wallet, and it will require association of biometrics with a registered wallet (they'll require submission of an xpub or whatever equivalent on a second layer). Then it will mandate that point of sales transactions be done via software that they approve, which will only allow biometrically registered customers to buy, while sending taxes automatically. Then it will criminalize unregistered wallets.
This is one of the ways we could get the mark of the beast. A cbdc would be more direct, but we could still get it even if bitcoin succeeds in every imaginable way.
I'm not saying it has to play out like this - only that this is a predictable response. We will need a lot of people in useful positions to avoid it. States will have to assert their sovereignty. There's hope... Personally, I'm hoping one of the Eurasian empires goes full cbdc before hyperbitcoinization - that would give the US something external to oppose, using our judiciary to full effect to keep us away from that crap.
you are just reiterating long debunked concerns that are listed on this little chart from 10 years ago
The right, blue section, on the right side under the "Government" category are the ways that they will respond
Banned is already over and done with, the chinese, russians, and USA all have given up trying to do that
they have started trying taxed and regulated but that's not going to work either, because there is so many countermeasures you can use to avoid them, and some are also just the sane thing to do because of the adversarial situation with shitcoin casinos trying to accumulate sats running as the House on people who are trying to catch the Next Big Thing ™️
it's not exceedingly easy to avoid getting logged as having sats but the more you have, the easier it is to access ways that you can avoid leaving records in accounts of honeypots, i mean shitcoin casinos and neobanks and whatnot, so that's Taxed
and Regulated, that's this OFAC, miner blacklisting of UTXOs
if you understand the full game theory of why Bitcoin has UTXOs you will understand that they can't hold a net around UTXOs without control of ALL jurisdictions, just one miner puts your UTXO spend and oh, now they have 2+ to chase after, or better still you coinjoined it with 10 other people and now there's 30 UTXOs they can't control, it's a hydra
Where does the chart address biometrics or xpub registry? Maybe I'm just not understanding how to read it...
that's regulation
Well, how are businesses going to respond when they are required to use certain software that controls how they use bitcoin? Physical businesses, I mean
they are already trying these things, there is a lot of reasons why you would not want to KYC yourself, personally, i refuse to do it and all of my wealth is being spent on businesses that operate in unregulated jurisdictions or with weak enforcement
there's just no rational basis for dooming about this shit, cypherpunks are slippery fish, who have already scattered across the globe and are working to bring about little enclaves everywhere
the direction bitcoin goes is towards self sovereign holding of cryptographic keys
biometrics identities are accounts, who holds the account, is the owner
when you simply hold a key, you are the owner because only you have the power to generate a signature valid for that account
nostr is based on the same principle and the simple fact is that KYC and account based, cloud provider systems are a road to hell
bitcoin and nostr are ways to use computer technology without ceding your estate title over to people with no functional limit on what they can do to you, fueled by the intelligence gathered from their account logging system
don't confuse a username with a key, they are very different things, one is theirs, the other is yours
yes they want us to use theirs
that's why we don't
Agreed on all points, but how will the state respond? See my other comment for my speculation
it doesn't fundamentally matter, the table is tilted in our favour against them... banned, taxed, regulated, all three are being tried but banned is a total failure already, taxed is basically not enforcable, and regulated isn't gonna make a stick of difference without a one world government, which is also impossible because if it could be done, it would already have been done and bitcoin would not be part of the story
The state moves from a position of powerlessness to total power over a population by splitting the population. When some people comply, the remaining noncompliers are easier to target. Their laws don't have to make sense, and they don't need total compliance. They move by gradations of compliance. That's how rugged frontiersmen turn into suburbanite tax cattle, over just a few generations.
you know enough history to know that no regime lasts forever
they always overreach, the cronies get more and more graspy and the oligarchs genetic lines degrade and then add to that, natural disasters and fundamental economic failures caused by a system based on theft to pay for the unendingly growing appetite for moar of the ruling class
we are in the last stages of the anglo-american imperial regime, and besides this fact alone there is also the problem that all their fantasies about biometric brainwashed AI controlled 15 minute cities full of pods - is all going to come crashing down when the global power and comms grids are literally set on fire by a superflare or micronova, that is long overdue
in 1914, the Ottoman Turks lost control of Bulgaria and all of the rest of the yugoslavian republics... for decades the bulgarians had been growing extremely tired of being robbed point blank for every bit of wealth they had, and eventually that regime was overthrown, those who were fighting for sovereignty of bulgarians were extremely popular and everything the turks did to try and maintain control just made their problem grow worse and worse until one fine day, now i may be getting the year wrong, but I am pretty sure it was january 14, the turkish army was marching towards Sofia, just starting the climb up to the plateau via a little town I used to live in, called Belovo (logging town, has a huge paper factory up the river) and they were cut down by hundreds of bulgarian farmers and loggers who were sick to death of being shat on by the turkish empire and sent them packing, and of course it helped that the turks didn't get help from the russians soon enough because after that day, it was all over, bulgaria was again sovereign after 400 years, and around 700AD (685 i think) there was Tsar Simeon who founded what went on to become the Bulgarian Empire which itself also failed, I think after that the Serbs took over and then the turks rocked up and took over the whole balkans
point i'm trying to get at is that these power structures are inherently unstable and can't last more than - well, about 15 generations, after which point they collapse, and the system we are in now, was founded by the British Empire in its second epoch, which birthed the USA because the previous epoch had got so bad that a huge exodus of people fleeing for a frontier went to north america, and then they coopted that, and that whole scheme of puppet vassal regimes and whatnot began
lol and the romantic notions people have about the USA lol
they kicked out the british empire and then became worse, i mean, way way worse now than it was prior to this supposed "revolution"
whatever they think they are going to do now, fundamentally there's no way they can make it last, and there's no way to enforce it, and the tighter they grip at it the faster it will slip away
it's not optimism that i'm expressing here, it's the inexorable path of power towards the most decadent and from there to collapse and reset, new game starts