Nostr Web Client

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all forms of spam prevention boil down to paid access, really

bitcoin uses proof of work, and uniquely can use it because it is money, and there is only one money, and the vast graveyards of proof of work shitcoins stands testament to the there can be only one problem

proof of work is to spam-prevent the PROVIDERS of the bitcoin service

the users have to pay transaction fees, which is the spam prevention

so the same applies to nostr, except that we don't have a consensus so there is no competition for that, we just have a user spam problem

so, we just need transaction fees, and because it's a relay, and it's not just one-off service, you switch to subscription model, but the problem is

you need auth to do paid subscription model!

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Niel Liesmons 1y ago

Agreed! Except for the subscription model.

Making content publication and micro-payment the exact same action is the way to go.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

why is subscription model not?

it has a lower cognitive burden, and requires the use of rate limiters when the user exceeds their service level

you would not make even lightning transactions as often as you like and reply to notes

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

at this point in time subscription model makes sense because most LN payments are going to be custodial and the friction level is going to be high, i have to click and wait to do zaps as it is, you want me to do that for every like and reply?

if it isn't in the protocol yet, then don't make unrealistic expectations about an immediately paid transaction model without recognising that this simply is impractical and has not only a high cognitive burden but a much higher message cycle cost

Niel Liesmons 1y ago

1. Subscriptions do not have a lower cognitive burden in highly competitive, open markets. They're nightmare to handle for the subscribers. There's a reason people don't have subscriptions to every bar they have some drinks in.

2. That's why eCash is inevitable

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

i have like 5 running subscriptions right now, youtube, vodafone, protonmail, i forget all of them even

cognitive burden so high i forget all of them

more code less talk

Niel Liesmons 1y ago

That's the point of cash. You pay and forget about it.