ok totally nerding out with pipewire now. turns out you can exactly measure the io latency introduced by specific programs by using jack_iodelay. I created a loopback program with cpal in rust, it seems to be adding tons of latency for some reason. had no idea linux had powerful tools like this.

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was using the wrong backend. got loopback latency down to 1.333 ms with cpal. pretty good! I can work with this.