Not to mention thw number of centralised exchanges that support ligjdning withdrawals now

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So more custodians and centralized exchanges investing in LN is supposed to support your argument that LN is not getting centralized?

It isn’t but it debunks your claim that “LN volume outside zaps is fairly negligible”

On LN centralization I am on the fence and I haven’t seen any evidence to support it. Your evidence is based on nostr only when there are is a substantial user base outside nostr

Fair enough

the majority of people will use custodial wallets for the foreseeable future for two reasons..

1) people are lazy

2) it’s the paradigm they understand

For the same reasons people keep bitcoin on exchanges and yet exchange balance is at an all time low

ATL but they still hold the majority chunk by quite a margin

Good discussion though