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So people who don’t like windows UX are an elitist cult? Help me understand how making nicer products makes you a cult member?

nobody 2y ago

Steve Jobs was heavily influenced by Zen Buddhism in the direction he took Apple products. He wanted simple elegance and intuitive use. You really didn’t have to teach someone to use an iPhone - it was very natural.

Windows does all the things. It is an OS seeking to be everything to everyone all the time. UX has massively improved in Windows 11, and I think WinUI 3 has been overall successful. I’m very pleased to see Microsoft as a whole embracing open source as well. Most of the good things to come out of MS are a result of that (WinUI, .net being useful for cross platform, WSL, VSCode, etc).

Linux does whatever its users are passionate enough to make it do. There’s an economy of ideas that reminds me a bit of a free market. The decentralization of development adds complexity as an inevitable result, causing rough edges for new or inexperienced users, but it is the best in many use cases that have the most passionate user base.

I really think the OS elitism ought to die the way the dinosaurs did. Each of the three fill an important and unique role in the ecosystem, and I am glad to have all three as daily drivers depending on my objective.

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Loki 2y ago

I can't stand using either macos, which is even more long winded to do anything, and doesn't have a decent "maximise" or "split pane" functionality, or windows, which as I mention in a previous reply, like Mac, has a really large number of keypresses for the simple, frequently needed operation of copy/paste. I mean, on both systems I very often find if it's less than a sentence long I can retype it faster than do it with the mouse.

nobody 2y ago

See, it’s a difference in approach and a difference in openness.

I’m not sure what you mean about copy paste, as I do that the exact same on all three. I don’t use the mouse, so perhaps that has something to do with it. But ctrl+xcv works on all of them.

macOS simply hasn’t bothered with something most OS power users customize for themselves. Personally I use Rectange on macOS. I have nearly the same tiling power I do on i3 in Linux, again without the mouse. Raycast also has window management, but I don’t use it for that (although the things I do use it for have further dropped my mouse usage). Stage Manager has further enabled window management in a totally new paradigm.

That’s what I mean by different but equal. I mean Gnome doesn’t have proper minimize either. You have to install tweaks to even get the button for it back 🤷‍♂️. I use i3 so I’m unaffected.

I tend to be very open to learning new ways to do things, so it’s never bothered me. I even prefer my Chromebook for a few things.