Trying to get these guys on nostr lol:
Speakers Corner debate on liberal secularism humanism & gender identity
('Bob' comes from a Christian perspective, but I think the nature of the debate, content and idea of Speakers Corner in general is of a wider interest to people on nostr maybe).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZyPXHLEbh8
#speakerscorner #debate #biblestr
I like the idea of peoples corner , but I heard of the police lifting and intimidating people recently .
Not sure I know of this incident but wouldn't surprise me. The police are a presence there for sure. There has been a stabbing that I know of and there's often scuffles and whatnot.
I think I quite like the idea of nostr being in a way a potential online parallel or something. (Although not a substitution to the physical space of speakers corner).
I disagree with his thesis that a foetus is a person. By its very nature it is not a person since it hasn't been born yet. You will find the very same people arguing that foetuses are full people with rights, who are arguing simultaneously that children should not have the vote and do not have the capacity to make informed decisions - which I agree is fair enough, because they are not actually fully formed people yet. And most importantly, the foetus is part of the body of the mother, until is it born and the umbilical cord is cut, which seems to be overlooked a great deal. The life of the mother, as the host organism, overrides that of the foetus.
He does make some important points about the fact that you can't identify as a woman if you can't define what a woman is. That is clearly oxymoronic.
He is coming from a Christian perspective on point of conception in that respect.
Sure, although there are also many Christians who are pro-choice. In most cases there is a happy medium to be drawn in the form of a cut-off date for gestation after which everyone can pretty much agree that the mother has had sufficient time to consider her position. Terminating a six-month-old foetus is clearly in no way the same thing as terminating a six-day-old one that you didn't know was there and didn't want. And of course there are extenuating circumstances such as rape or where the woman has been detained against her will to prevent abortion occurring within a suitable timescale.
Everyone will agree that it is better for a child to be born into a family that wants it, and science shows that it is many times better for that family to include its biological mother. So the mother actually wanting the child is really very important, if we are looking to maximise human happiness rather than to maximise the population of humans on earth (I don't think we're short). And forcing a mother to carry a child she doesn't want is cruelty, especially since she may herself die as a result. Everyone involved has to agree, and as we already pointed out, if you haven't reached majority, you don't get to have a vote since you don't yet understand the issues. Thus we have to side with the mother by default.
The Christian perspective seems like a pretty complicated subject which I'm not sure I know enough about to explain. But there does seem to be various views, as it's obviously not biblically outlined specifically. I believe arguments do include an appeal to adoption in a lot of cases. But it really isn't a subject I'm informed enough on, and I haven't come to a conclusion myself. (Although I'm aware there would be some arguments claiming anyone prochoice couldn't be Christian, it being seen as an incompatible position to hold.)
Mostly just posting speakers corner as a curiosity of a place.
