Is there a point to homework if you forget those things as an adult and tools like ChatGPT can solve it for you?
How is school justified in this post chatgpt? Is the process of problem solving really taught in school or do kids just waste time memorizing?
I believe there is a reason to learn even if you will forget, just as there is a reason to live although you will die.
Homework should be learning to use and apply the tools, instead of just memorising stuff.
The things that you’ll need and use the most you’ll memorise down the line anyway ❤️
Showing my age but this happened when the TI-83 first came out. We went from learning formulas to just learning which buttons to press on a calculator to get the right answer. We stopped learning why these formulas existed to just how to use them. I think we’re worse off for this. Feel the same applies here. Think it still worth initially learning things if we eventually forget them and can rely on AI to reference them later. Maybe the initial knowledge was only needed for comprehension purposes as a stepping stone to a bigger picture.
To be honest I think almost all school have no idea how to make the education system transition.
It’s getting to the point where major plagiarism and gpt detector can’t even detect it.
Chatgpt is just another feather in the cap of absurdity that is 'the school system'.
Required studies should be illegal outside of the classroom. Homework should be enrichment kids opt into, imo.
It does seem ridiculously unfair that kids have to take school stuff home when adults will (usually) throw a fit if they have to work from home past standard working hours. (Not applicable to all of course but generally speaking)
I think a form of schooling will always be justified for the initial learning phase. Do we truly learn if we can always look something up?
Very interested to see what schooling looks like 25 years out.
Good question. I think about it with kids all the time. Going forward I hope education focuses on how to critically think and problem solve and less on pure memorization. But there are some things where even if you forget the details learning the core concepts is critical, especially math and science.
Yeah it makes sense to learn the foundational subjects and concepts - the things that I would consider as extended literacy.
But I also think it pushes people to learn more real skill. They have to.
The goal of writing papers for classes is not to produce the output, but to synthesize the information in your own words. The output is used to simply be a proof of the process, thats what teachers are after. I don't think synthesizing different sources and writing the output is an invalid pedagogical tool.
What does the process teach? How to relate one concept to another? Why are papers grades if we are after teaching the process? If everyone learns at their own pace, shouldn’t grading be irrelevant?
Oh yeah, grading is a bad system. However, writing is an excellent way to clarify and improve your thinking skills. Cheating yourself of that with chat bots is stupid in my opinion. However, the system is often seen as transactional, i produce the output for you to give me a grade or a title.
If you want to actually learn, however, writing and having that writing evaluated and receiving feedback by a person that is accomplished in the field of study you are writing about is an excellent pedagogical tool.
Arguing for using llms in that context is like saying that running a mile has no benefit because we have cars to get us there faster. It's not about the output.
School is fine but yes government schooling places emphasis on memorization and not logic and problem solving and is a huge waste.
I used chatGPT to learn the Julia language earlier in the year. Its been amazingly helpful in translating code and some troubleshooting, but I still needed to use all the resources to adequately learn it. Eventually, after about 2 weeks id say that I got pretty competent with the language and was able to memorize the language to the effect that I could troubleshoot and navigate it effectively.
I hope that schooling as it pertains to the future follows along a similar trajectory. Where the educators are teaching less about rote memorization, but rather about learning how to learn from the endless resources available. Teaching students how to seek out answers to their own questions instead of a specified curriculum and discriminating from the bullshit answers from search and/or AI.
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school was already ridiculous
I felt college was a huge waste of time for me. I studied subjects which I later threw away because I realized how useless and boring they were and I didn’t want to waste my life doing things I don’t live. The bulk of the info became irrelevant very quickly because technology filled the gaps.
I am GenX and my entire high school experience was based on memorizing things for tests. I happen to be naturally good at memorizing things at least for short periods of time so I did well. The problem was the teachers essentially taught the test so I didn’t actually learn anything.
Compare that to doing theatre and I memorized well and received an education of how to deliver the lines I memorized.
We had an exchange student from Norway and we was shocked by multiple choice. He said back home he was an average student and in America was in honor society.
I’ve learned and retained more from watching videos online than I ever did in school.
A good comparison I once heard is that it's like working out. There are plenty of good ways to have a barbell lifted a bit, that's not the point. The point is conditioning you to be able to do things. The actual information is not important, training your mind to learn and retain information when needed is.
