Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

People often assume that whoever their god is, that it is standing with them specifically. In the US, they often separate this view along party lines.

Conservatives to some extent imagine Jesus standing with them on the border with a rifle protecting Christendom against anarchy. Even if many of those immigrants are ::checks notes:: also Christians. If a "woke" bishop calls for compassion on immigrants and is not a fan of the twice-divorced President who can't name his favorite bible chapter and forgot to put his hand on the bible when being sworn in, she's somehow the baddie rather than him, even among Christians.

Progressives to some extent imagine Jesus walking around in Gaza or Haiti or Sudan attending to the least advantaged among us. He shuns the empire and tends to them. And yet, while Jesus called for pacifism and was a rhetorical saint among chill speakers, many of them find a way to mentally turn extremists into heroes. Anything the underdog society does against the dominant society is justified. Even if it's violent toward civilians. In our media rebels are cool, but in reality they often like to kill the gays or the civilians, so it gets awkward pretty fast rather than being like the cool Star Wars rebels vs the Empire.

I find myself in a weird camp that almost nobody is onboard with.

I'm like, "Yes, we actually need to secure our borders. We need to be more scrutinizing for our society's sake. We need slower, higher-end immigration. And we actually need to enforce the rule of law for theft on the streets."

But also,

"No, I don't think Jesus of Nazareth as depicted in text would be onboard with this border view. He'd view us like Rome. Let's not re-imagine him as onboard with this. We're rooting for ourselves; he'd root for the underdogs."

I'm too woke for the conservatives and too based for the progressives.

The US was involved with multiple coups in Latin America. We ran the reserve currency and tried to bend them to our will with their dollar-denominated debt 40 years ago by spiking the value of that debt. Some of them went into retarded socialism and rekt themselves throughout that time period too; it's not all our fault. But it's some of our fault.

And then we militarily entered the Middle East. We made deals with them, funded them against the Soviets, and then turned against them. We've invaded them at like a 100:1 ratio vs them invading us with one major incidence (9/11). And as much as I am a fan of Jews as a people (as someone who grew up in Northeastern USA where Jews are relatively dense, I'd happily have them settle all around here), Israel is a state is colonial; our western powers displaced Gazans to make it and have been fighting that reality ever since.

We're Rome. And like Rome, we think we are justified. And along those lines, we're probably partially right, and probably partially wrong.

When you take a view, imagine every possible view opposing it.

And as the US dominates as neo-Rome, I think we will realize how distant we are from Jesus the hippie.

Wow, I'm surprised by you. I thought you were smart..

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What do you disagree with?

don’t engage with trolls

She's not a troll dude

i was referring to you but you don’t seem like a troll my fault

Jesus to me, is a strong leader and libertarian. He said you are free and you have self determination, but only thru me, will you find salvation.

I have many real life stories about how Jesus helped me personally. I didn't think you would paint us all one color. Thank you for listening to my post. I do wish the best for you in any case!

Among the Bible, Talmud, Quran, Bhagavad Gita, and Pali Canon, what are your favorite teachings?

I assume you’ve read all of them, so in your view, how would you contrast each of them in terms of their major teachings?

nothing good comes from the Jewish Talmud except satanic tranny shit....oh wait

Most religions can be boiled down to:

The meaning of life is to help others, that is what brings joy and self fulfilment.

PS dont try to make sense of faith mixed with politics.

its a dead end.

Just do your best.

Among those I think the Quran delves most into what we usually think of as economics (broader scope of 'all human action' notwithstanding). I don't love some of the rigidity around interpretation there is with it or any other Abrahamic tradition even if I do understand some historical forces that encouraged that approach.

The Pali Canon went a long way in perhaps getting me to that view. Stories of the infinite divisions of things in different ways can, on a level, be simultaneously true, if those divisions have more to do with perspective of the observer, looking at an underlying reality that is unified (or, as Crowley and perhaps other Kabbalists might say, is 0). At the end of the day we live in our own experiences and understanding, by which we can compare and evaluate these stories. Of the 'world outside' we can't ever really know anything.

And that's fine. Knowledge is fiat, Wisdom is hard.

Well that shut him up🔥I was wondering what trolls ye speak of in your newer post, so I went digging. They could have at least had deepthink come up with something good for them. Maybe even expand the thinking button and figure out how to do some basic reasoning for themselves. Oh, well. I guess you get this a lot.

Didnt jesus whip the temple Jews for being...jews? how libertarian retard

Since you were apparently annoyed enough that I reacted with a downvote to go and make a random comment on one of my old notes, I'll just reply to you here.

I felt like you deserved a downvote simply because what you wrote was fucking rude and stupid. Rather than explain any kind of position, you just wrote... that. So I downvoted you because I disagree with it. No matter if you agree with her views or not, obviously nobody can defend the stance that she is not smart. In fact, I'm quite confident in assuming she's way smarter than you.

If you were being sarcastic/trolling/messing around/etc. then you shouldn't be so surprised that there will be people who don't understand that just from what you wrote. But I'm pretty sure you weren't.