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So, basically, here’s your argument. The State of Israel was founded on illegitimate grounds. Therefore, Israel and Israelis have to put up with constant attacks by militants who refuse to recognize the fact of their existence, plus the constant opprobrium of the international community.

Do I have that right?

wymike 4mo ago 💬 1

My argument is that had they not consistently expanded their ‘legally created’ state by taking land which was already occupied by other people we probably would not be in the situation.

If I were going to summarise your argument in such basic terms it would be: well everyone has been mean to them since they moved in so it’s fair game for them to do whatever they want back.

I don’t know where you live but do you think your countrymen would be happy if some other countries decided that a significant portion of your country was now no longer yours and was going to be lived in by some people with a significantly different ideology to you and then over the next 80 or so years they kept taking more of your country and leaving less and less of it for you to live in all the while treating you like second rate citizens?

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Richard Martin 4mo ago

In 1948, Israel accepted the UN partition plan but was immediately invaded by five Arab armies. The Arab leadership rejected both the Jewish and the projected Arab state, seeking instead to wipe out the Jews. In the war that followed, Israel survived and controlled land allocated for the Arab state, but Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt took Gaza, leaving Palestinians stateless and in refugee camps by Arab design. From 1949 through the 1960s, Israel endured constant fedayeen raids from Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, and Lebanon, with full state backing. The 1956 Sinai campaign came after Egypt blockaded Eilat, an act of war, and massed troops. Under U.S. pressure, Israel withdrew. In 1967, after another Egyptian blockade and massive buildup in Sinai, Israel launched a preemptive strike; despite urging Jordan and Syria to stay out, both attacked, and Israel captured the Sinai, Golan, West Bank, and East Jerusalem. These territories were understood as bargaining chips for peace, not conquest. The 1973 Yom Kippur War, launched by Egypt and Syria, finally led to peace with Egypt and Jordan. The pattern is clear: Israel’s territorial changes came in defensive wars forced on it, not from unprovoked expansionism.