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Many Bitcoiners eat loads of fatty red meat because they think it makes them stronger, healthier, and even more masculine. The reality is, it leads to clogged arteries and erectile dysfunction, among many other well-documented health issues—there's nothing masculine about that.

Ultimately, the only knowledge is self-knowledge. I can't make anyone do anything—any more than all this carnivore fad diet talk can make me do anything. All I can do is share my perspective, backed by decades of modern research, thousands of years of lived results, and today's world-class vegan athletes and peak performers.

Freedom of speech and reclaiming our attention/time/life from big tech is a thread that connects people who use Nostr, so it was time to start speaking more about it.

And yes, good on you—don't let perfect be the enemy of good. For example, I enjoy buttermilk, but I don't buy it because of the way cows are treated in factory farms.

'Grass-fed' is just a label, like 'organic'—with loose regulations that are easy to game. There's a stark difference between a Hindu cow, or Bessie being milked on the farm and well-cared for, and a mother who has had her babies stolen from her, lives in inhumane conditions, is shown no love, is an object to be used, and is pumped with antibiotics and other medicines just to keep her alive until she can't produce anymore.

And then they're thrown away like garbage—sent to slaughter at just 4-5 years old when they should live to 20, their bodies so broken and worn they're only good for cheap hamburger meat and pet food. That's the reality behind every glass of milk from factory farms.

Whenever you talk about red meats causing the conditions you mentioned, I think it's important to note that processed and unprocessed red meats carry different levels of risk to health.

I am saying there are more factors that go into red meat besides the meat itself, such as the methods they are preserved and cooked. The problems you are talking about apply mostly to processed red meats specifically. For instance, processed meats have greater risks for cancers and CHD.

Sources: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34455534/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3483430/

On the other hand, unprocessed red meats do not have the same risk.

"There was no association with Ischemic stroke incidence, nor CHD Mortality with consumption of unprocessed red meat...As for the results of the meta-analysis of the association between consumption of processed meat and CVD, they indicated that there was a significant association with total stroke incidence." Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35491892/

"We found weak evidence of association between unprocessed red meat consumption and colorectal cancer, breast cancer, type 2 diabetes and ischemic heart disease. Moreover, we found no evidence of an association between unprocessed red meat and ischemic stroke or hemorrhagic stroke." Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01968-z

"In meta-analyses of prospective cohorts, higher risk of CHD is seen with processed meat consumption (RR per 50 g: 1.42, 95 %CI = 1.07–1.89), but a smaller increase or no risk is seen with unprocessed meat consumption. Differences in sodium content (~400 % higher in processed meat) appear to account for about two-thirds of this risk difference." Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3483430/

I am also wondering about the vitamin K2 that is in fatty meats, as it important for heart health. There has to be more factors that are going into health problems like clogged arteries or erectile dysfunction besides the simple fact men consumed red meat, processed or unprocessed.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34785587/

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I agree with you. If you are going to eat red meat, then high-quality meat is much better for you than processed. The reality is the vast majority of people eat the processed stuff.

However, that does not change the fact that the scientific evidence demonstrates a clear causal relationship between red meat consumption, cardiovascular disease, and arterial function.

If you're interested in exploring this topic further, I highly recommend you dig into this research and check out the documentary in the subsequent podcast with Joe Rogan linked in the post below. What makes this particular podcast significant is that when presented with the scientific evidence about meat consumption and health, even Rogan, who advocates for meat-eating, acknowledged the strength of the data. I think you may find the podcast quite informative. I've included all the relevant links in the post below for reference.

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