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I really, really want to be excited about NIP-29 (and Chachi is amazing, by the way).

Still, my own journey came to a very early end when I accidentally left a community that I created myself, and now I can't get back into it.

https://chachi.chat/groups.0xchat.com/3081bdbb1b5bde3c2ace7ed4446e6a9cd11a2907e9d86ede95ae8224d50d350f

According to nostr:nprofile1qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgspr9mhxue69uhkscnj9e3k7unpvdkx2tnnda3kjctv9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0g4rts7, there's a bug in the underlying relay software where leaving a NIP-29 group = permanent ban. (I’ve already tried to summon nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp a few times about it, but my skills as a fiatjaf summoner have been weakening.)

Between this and the fact that most folks ignore or don’t even receive NIP-17 messages on Nostr, it’s still hard to recommend NIP-29 to people currently using Discord, Slack, Matrix, etc., to run their communities.

Hopefully folks like you and nostr:nprofile1qqs84k6jpsav0jmdeqjn2zxlpnsajaw6f8l0m2d4e9t8gjsyn53s4nspzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumfv9khxarj9e3k7mgpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyhat8ky will keep pushing this forward. But I do think the relay side of things needs to catch up a bit. One more side quest for me if I can get other folks interested, lol.

- According to @hodlbod, there's a bug in the underlying relay software where leaving a NIP-29 group = permanent ban

Will take time to look into it

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Thanks w!

https://github.com/coracle-social/frith doesn't have this bug, and has some interesting things that relay29 doesn't have, like invite codes, normal relay mode, etc

Cool

nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 didn't you add invite codes? Would be great to have imo.

I have many plans for fixing bugs and adding things but couldn't yet. Maybe I should just migrate to fritzer?

what's fritzer?

in any case looking forward to fixes and invite codes. one annoying issue is that in Open groups when I kick a pubkey they can join again, I think someone reported that already.

I think that there's room for more than one NIP-29 around, assuming that there's enough community interest and dev capacity for it. At the moment I'm struggling to get anyone even remotely interested in it. Lol

We don't have many users or developers.

I'm aware… Well, both relays are written in Go and Khatru based. Plus, hodlbod here is good people. So, on my side, I have absolutely no issue with you two merging both initiatives and, on my side, will be happy to contribute in any way I can. We just really, really need a place for Khatru based relay devs to align. So whatever relay software you folks decide to stick with, let’s create a community please 🙂

Speaking of stretched devs, when you have a chance, could you please read my DM? hzrd149 has merged my changes to the Blossom specs (type is no longer optional in the Blob Descriptor, and the whole redirection thing is in place 🎉), so I’ll finally be going back to Khatru redirection support, followed by Haven. I’ve also got sidequests on mak, Song, and possibly njump (plus an experimental Blossom/IPFS bridge I’m working on myself that may or may not be made publicly depending on how well it works :)). If I could get 15 minutes of your time at some point, it would help me immensely.

I hate to mention it, but also take a look at https://github.com/pippellia-btc/rely which looks quite good. Also, fiatjaf is re-writing khatru/eventstore: https://pkg.go.dev/fiatjaf.com/nostr/khatru

I'll have a look at rely. And yes, EventStore deserves a rewrite. Again, we should have some sort of channel to discuss this kind of thing. It's a "small" group of devs but not small enough that I can keep up with what everyone is doing. A NIP-29 group or equivalent would be awesome, it can even have a bigger scope than just Khatru based relays.

I run relay.nostrtalk.org for this purpose, which is best used via flotilla, but also works on chachi (I believe). But I was thinking about this problem, I think the issue is that nostr itself is the nostr dev community, and so there's not much incentive to switch to a room/channel/relay/community/group

Agreed, kind 1 is awesome but... Not exactly the best place to share 20+ loc bash scripts about exotic issues on nak NIP-46 support. Plus hard to follow up what everyone is doing. I'll join your community :)

Do I need an invite or something?