Over 100 million dead last century might be considered large scale but we all have different thresholds of what we consider a reasonable trial. Very small government and accountability is all that works. Power attracts the corruptible. There's a town in Mexico that has little to no crime. It was achieved by kicking out politicians, removing the police and simply having a small town council and rotating short term community policing voluntarily.
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So it's a communal society? Like the goal of communism? 😉
That's very cool, I did not know about this town in Mexico.
I agree with you: power attracts a-holes, and we could all use more accountability from our "leaders"
Communism is not aboutcommunal society. And no, it isnt, its a proper capitalist community where there's respect for property rights and lack of corrupt centralised authorities. This isnt hard. Hundreds of years of central authorities telling you that you need to choose a form of central authority to be ruled by. You don't. Try considering a little more self respect and faith in other humans. All we need is property rights and a few rules to stop centralised power authorities. We start with taking control of money out of the corrupt purview of centralized authorities. Thats step 1
There's certainly a range of communist ideologies, some of which include communal society.
Not the point though.
This whole thread has been thrown for a loop.
The bigger point I'm trying to make, and I think nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj7urjv4kkjatd9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wsqzq3jjwq2zyp4yrc3g0lwfsxak5a5qm4guye47x4ju5fcynggg92ayaxptge made elsewhere in the thread is that people should choose what works for them and strive towards that.
My beef is with everyone coming in and trying to bludgeon people into submission because they have different thoughts on what might be a good or bad way do things.
I'm not even a communist, so I shouldn't even be out here defending it. Just realize that all ideologies have good and bad parts, and they work well in some situations and don't in others.
Maybe ideologies are a reflection of scale. Most people, if they actually sit down and think, would consider themselves highly communitarian or communist if you like within their home and become more conservative with increasing scale due to rational variability in trust. This is not considered when talking ideologies as they're one size fits all
This 👆👆👆👆👆👆👆exactly.. well said and perfectly aligned.
The question then is population limit on societal organisation methods and modern decentralised technology gives space for rethinking many systems. It disant change a simple fact. Centralised systems corrupt and the very worst tried so far us communism. Leveraging peoples good intentions to give power to a cetralised authority over means and distribution of human energy and production results in starvation and a reduction of liberty and human flourishing. Anybody questioning that should simply get on a plane and travel
I thought I was out but you pulled me back in.
I again think you're overlooking the destruction an imperialistic western agenda has really caused.
> Leveraging peoples good intentions to give power to a cetralised authority over means and distribution of human energy and production results in starvation and a reduction of liberty and human flourishing.
You're basically also describing the US government here. Rights are being taken away far too often. Inflation and wage suppression is flowing money up to the top 1% of the US class system. Food insecurity is increasing - It's the same thing.
> Anybody questioning that should simply get on a plane and travel
Yeah, we should really investigate some of the countries that the US has destabilized to gain access to their resources, or suppress regime change uprisings that they don't agree with. They don't typically end with hand holding and free market goodness.
There's bad in both, I'd honestly argue that the US/capitalist side has caused more damage due to it's extreme power imbalance and sustained existence.
OK. I'm actually going to be done with this conversation now. Sorry to keep jumping in.
Dont apologise for discussion. The inflation is caused by fake money though. Separate money from state and lets see how we go with society
Thank you 🙏 and I agree the original ideas of republicans and democrats and a 2 party system did serve us at one point but what they have morphed into.. yikes