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I'm saying that I do not believe in a better world. I believe in the cycle of government.

Calling for anarchy is merely the next stage and you are all premature because it sounds attractive to you, for various reasons, all of which are personal.

But we are not there, yet. And it will be ugly, when we are.

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Duncan Cary Palmer 1y ago

Hi, nostr:npub1m4ny6hjqzepn4rxknuq94c2gpqzr29ufkkw7ttcxyak7v43n6vvsajc2jl,

Your comments suggest that perhaps you don't truly understand the semantic meaning of the word anarchy. It literally means no rulers.

In the beginning, God gave mankind dominion over creation, but not at all over one another. We are all to be working together as peers. The idea of a state with "rulers" authorized to force their will upon us is utterly unbiblical.🤔🧐

In fact, God told Samuel that seeking such a governance structure was an abject rejection of God himself.

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Laeserin 1y ago

Then we shall be ruled by Christian judges or elders? How is that a lack of rulers?

Or everyone is just nice to everyone and we call it a day?

We are not in Heaven, yet.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

Christian judges worked out horribly for the peasants of the dark ages. Why can’t you just rule yourself? lol arm yourself, live in a safe community, and avoid dangerous situations. These are things you are already doing but for some reason you attribute that to government instead of your judgment. These are decisions you’ve made intentionally. Why is your government so different from the government in Chicago or Los Angeles? It’s the people not the government. The reason you have good peaceful neighbors is because they are good peaceful people. It’s not because they’re afraid they will get in trouble.

Laeserin 1y ago

Not everyone who is here is from here. Should we really put a wall around the town? How does that make me more free? That just collapses the borders inward to a walled town.

Laeserin 1y ago

You assume too much about my neighbors. This region has one of the worst sex:ratios in Europe and the frustration is palpable.

Safe communities are safe because good men police them and create a realistic threat.

Jordan Eskovitz 1y ago

Splitting hairs here but there were no "dark ages". The Medieval period was complicated period but full of such light and glory it would be blinding to our modern, darkened eyes.

True Christian judges are the most equipped people on the planet to administer justice since they know the Source of all justice.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

You can believe that if you want but the historical evidence suggests otherwise.

Jordan Eskovitz 1y ago

You can believe the "evidence" if you want but actual history suggests otherwise.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

The church being extremely corrupt is actual history but maybe you’d need to actually study history first to know that. Priests and church members are fallible humans. Idk why that’s hard for some people to accept.

Jordan Eskovitz 1y ago

Like I said, complicated. I'm a protestant in the reformed tradition so I am well aware of historical church corruption. But to see the entirety of the medieval period as one giant epoch of church corruption is a sad and flattened view.

I'm not looking to dunk on you, to be clear. You're not wrong that there were periods and regions where the peasantry suffered under unjust rulers and clergy. But the Church Age, built atop the Scriptures, is why we today can even have this discussion. Our freedoms, senses of justice, tools of liberty—our whole moral framework—is the fruit of Christendom, and medieval Christendom especially.

Duncan Cary Palmer 1y ago

>"Then we shall be ruled by Christian judges or elders? How is that a lack of rulers?"

Sister, you (and many others) are viewing this issue through the lens of hundreds of years of barnacle-like accumulation of tradition, government propaganda, and egregiously corrupted translations of the bible, so I implore you; please to the extent possible do not prejudge what I'm about to say:

The answer is BOTH yes and no. To you, as one who I know to be fluently bilingual, my first observation about language issues should make a great deal of sense. The root word "rule" is an egregiously bad translation from Greek to English. I believe it to be INTENTIONALLY bad because of the corrupting influence of nation-states (which scripture teaches us are under the control of satan, "ruler" of this world [John 16:11, et.al.]). The Greek root most often mistranslated as "rule" is ἄρχων (archon), and its core meaning in Greek is "first." This is where we get the political title "Premier." The biblical idea is far more that of a "leader" than a "ruler," and PARTICULARLY does NOT include the connotation that said "leader" has some inherently legitimate right to compel us by force to do anything.

And so, YES, "we shall be ruled by Christian judges or elders" that WE VOLUNTARILY look to as "leaders," or "first" among us BECAUSE we (individually, NOT as a "collective") have respect for their wisdom and guidance.

And also, NO, because we are NOT obligated to submit to the diktats of whatever thug who HAPPENS to be "in power" at the moment is attempting to compel us to do.

Jesus is King; he is the only one with an authentic RIGHT to "RULE" us (in the English sense of the term), and the absolutely GOOD NEWS is that Jesus is a BENEVOLENT King who truly has our individual and corporate best interests at heart.

Summarizing; the only legitimate human governance structures are 100% voluntary. Jesus/God'/Scripture's long-obscured teaching on that matter is that it is the individual, independent assemblies of believers who are VOLUNTARILY participating and who answer ONLY to King Jesus who should be governing us.

For a more comprehensive discussion of this, please see:

https://peakd.com/politics/@creatr/a-sola-the-reformers-missed-sola-ecclesia

Laeserin 1y ago

I don't think this is the anarchy the others are aiming for.

This is just a church without a nation state ruling over the same territory, and allowing people to join or leave the area voluntarily, which sounds fine to me.

Let's make it a Catholic Church.

Duncan Cary Palmer 1y ago

The Catholic church got it wrong from the start... Did it just like the world in a hierarchical fashion. Scripture shows us a decentralized model, much like bitcoin, with no centralized authority or King but Jesus himself.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

the catholic church was just an attempt to maintain the power relation while selling the PR campaign that they had turned into christians, all started off by Constantine with his so-called vision

they selected a small set of books to declare as the "word of god" and nearly destroyed dozens of other texts, of which for sure Enoch was very familiar to the contemporaries of the time of Jesus - indeed much of what Jesus said was literally straight out of enoch, and you can validate the existence of enoch even in the catholic bible in the book of genesis

but the rules of what texts they did adopt, was still better than what happened after the 1200s or so when the third bethlehem star cycle passed and we started into the modern liberal democratic socialist state

replacing the king with false principles, teaching people to worship the government... we are in the late stages of this now, it won't last much longer, because stuff is about to happen that will break down their power