how is it stealing if you got the key?

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It’s stealing if it’s not yours lol. “Theft” isn’t a technical term, it’s a moral one.

how do you prove that a utxo is yours? how would you do it in a non technical way?

In the face of a CRQC you cannot. That’s the point. You can in the narrow exception case of having created the key using a seedphrase-based derivation.

how do you prove your clothes are yours?

i can't

Is it stealing if we’re saying they have no owner? (Freezing insinuates this)

the owner of a utxo is the person who has the private key. so i would say we don't know if the potentially frozen utxos have no owner

Yep. I’m currently on the side of letting them into the wild.

No, you’re confusing the tech details for the reality. if someone steals a private key a court would force them to return the funds, because *obviously* it’s not theirs.

i guess i am confused. i thought proof of ownership can only be achieved by signing a message with the private key or moving the coins

*proof of* ownership. But the practical concept of “ownership” isn’t about proof but rightful access.

i thought that makes bitcoin special, that i can proof without a doubt, that i am the owner of a utxo. doesn't rightful access imply, that someone defines what is right and wrong. what if this someone is corrupt? doesn't that open the door for expropriation?