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This was interesting thanks for taking the time to write it all up. Some of it still went over my head because it is a bit technical. I did hear a podcaster say that they want to remove the config options to filter out spam from their mempool. Not sure why they said that.

Bill Cypher 7mo ago

Right now there is a limit on op_return size in mempool in core. But only mempool, any op_return that fits in a block will be considered a valid addition to the chain. Not really useful for typical economic transactions so most consider them spam.

Core devs wanted to remove the limit because it causes miners to create private mempools, like slipstream by Mara, not very decentralized.

Where I think they went wrong was they wanted to change it to no limit and remove the setting. That got people riled up. If they had changed the default and left the setting half the controversy.

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MAHDOOD 7mo ago

Interesting. And this wouldn’t have exploded if they didn’t ban users from the conversation.

Bill Cypher 7mo ago

That really set the Streisand Effect into full force.

The bannings were questionable for sure but not outright malicious with no other way to explain it. The official mailing list has a "code only, no comments about the developers" rule. That makes sense as a way to prevent the conversation from going off the rails into ad hominem territory every time. We all know what the average internet argument is like without that and any exception is going to lead there.

The people who got banned were pointing out that the initial vocal supporters had a history of shitcoining and some had financial conflicts of interest. Is that about the code or the person? Both for sure.

The change has been dropped for now. As far as I know there are no plans to change the default or remove the setting at this time.

MAHDOOD 7mo ago

So the pushback was enough to stop the change interesting 🤔

Bill Cypher 7mo ago

We can't really say stop forever until the heat death of the universe, but it has been put to rest for now.

One of the big allegations was devs turning on the noderunners so it does matter that things got changed by mass noderunner will. I thought changing the default and leaving the setting was the correct path but that hasn't happened either.

MAHDOOD 7mo ago

I think it’s good that a significant number of people switched to knots just to decentralize a bit. Would be interesting to see if another implementation comes out in the near future.

Bill Cypher 7mo ago

There is also a Libre Relay, though it gets far less attention than Core and Knots.