for bisq you could try cash by mail or in person.

everything else is more or less kyc payments

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I see, and yeah that's a more than valid point.

I think than no-KYC has more levels than people talk about, and in the end there's much less option than what are advertised.. 👀

Vexl! But you need to grow network, it’s web of trust based non profit and purely p2p without KYC. Doesn’t touch Bitcoin or fiat.