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It would be great for newsletters to come either to my feed and @ me, so I don't miss it. Orrrrrr, just nostr DM me. At the moment nostr DMs aren't dead and useless yet. Like emails are.

But, I guess that will happen.... right? Is there anything we can do? Can we do things with putting a Bitcoin "hashcash" fee on sending messages to Nostr DMs?

Will there be blacklisted relays the way there are blacklisted... whatever 'zones' in IP addresses are called. Let's make it so we don't recreate the same system. (that story about that guy that ran his own email server for 40 years and had to stop because he was ALWAYS filtered out as spam.)

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someone 2y ago

DM's are working for me. But could be 'expensive', meaning each pubk can send so much..

Timechain 2y ago

Well, if you were creating a system from 0, you could do that, make it so all npubs could only send so much. But nostr already exists, I can't alter THEIR clients but perhaps I can alter mine to require such. It would probably be on the client level and not need any protocol change, just when you attempt to send something a invoice would pop up at an amount you set

Timechain 2y ago

But if they weren't using the same client, how would the invoice pop up?

Ok. You send your dm.

My client auto replies with an invoice.

You pay

Then I get the message.

Since it happens through DMs, it should work no matter what client you have

someone 2y ago

Oh! I was talking about spams. I am obsessed lately. Sorry! Relays can slow DM'ers down.

A client-client thing can also be done like hashcash, yes.

Never thought about invoices but as far as I remember similar things occured outside nostr like "If you want to talk to me pay this invoice and choose a time slot".

Timechain 2y ago

Yeah, this is just be a nostr dm spam filter.

⚡A C V⚡ 2y ago

Thanks for being obsessed with this. I'm worried about spam. Email made the web what it is. A decentralized open system to exchange ideas and information. However, it's collapsed into a centralized reality of major operators. Not only due to spam but as mentioned in this thread, running an email server today is not really possible because everyone thinks you're spam, and you have no way to prove otherwise.

someone 2y ago

I actually run an email server. It is not that bad. A few times it went to spam folders of others.

someone 2y ago

I think in the future, when just starting users will need to gain reputation. During this phase the messages and pubkeys can be expensive. After reputation is built, messages (events) can be much cheaper or even free..

Some relays can be strict, then users can go to smaller relays to build reputation. Once the user acts well in the network (i.e. no spamming etc) then big relays can accept the events without PoW.