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All good question, my view is that if you pay for blockspace it is not spam, the reason spam is a problem with email is the zero cost to send a zillion emails as scams or misleading information etc. proof of work and fees create a real cost, therefore the network itself is spam resistant. No need to censor in my opinion, pay the fee and you should be good to put whatever is possible into the tx. IMO

Kevin's Bacon 8mo ago

If what you are saying is true, and Bitcoin is truly uncensorable, any attempts to censor it will just fail but might mitigate less appropriate uses by slightly deterring them, after having spent lots of time arguing and freaking out about it. Nothing stops Bitcoin's success.

It's all about voluntary choice. If noderunners understand what they are doing and make their own choices and assent to this version of Bitcoin, then whatever spam gets in their chain is actually legitimate. They consented to it. They also get to voluntarily discourage it from the mempool policy side of things.

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Kevin's Bacon 8mo ago

This is not censorship. It's property rights. Rough consensus is gonna be rough. But it has to respect voluntary assent.

2Pac 8mo ago

Yes I still believe the incentives align with censorship resistance and that the txs will still be mined maybe just take longer to confirm but people’s willingness to censor transactions they don’t like seems antithetical

Kevin's Bacon 8mo ago

It makes enough sense to me... what's antithetical to their supposed values is when they say that spam is "illegitimate" as in illegal. Like no, it's all voluntary. I ran into this a year and a half ago or so when spam was extra bad and was very, very confused. I thought people here understood natural law legal theory but apparently not. So I feel ya.

2Pac 8mo ago

Another proof of why decentralization is so important for bitcoins continued success.

Kevin's Bacon 8mo ago

Yuppp!! But it's already so decentralized, we're golden. Two miners hogging up 70% of the hashpower? Non-issue. The minute they start censoring, they're toast and OCEAN wins the hashpower race due to bigger fees. Core gone rogue? People switching to Knots. Luke and Mechanic too paranoid about Bitcoin's future? New forks will get made.

We as Bitcoiners don't even realize how good we have it and how much the free market has got this thing under control. All we have to do is have the wisdom and the insight to see it, and not get dragged into the mud with our arrogance thinking we need to wrestle control back from the market or from individuals we think are capturing it, who cannot ever capture it in reality.

Kevin's Bacon 8mo ago

Like, it's good to keep analyzing it and looking out for problems and working on it. We should. But in so doing, we gotta not be presumptuous. We don't need to control it. We need to analyze it from first principles and with respect for the reality of natural laws. Then we can act for the good of Bitcoin and for the good of ourselves in maintaining the true Bitcoin.

2Pac 8mo ago

Agree with everything you said