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Hanshan

wut?

SimpleX is nothing like telegram. ten years ago or now.

brito 9mo ago

That is like saying that canned tuna isn't the same as canned cod fish.

You are technically right and yet you are still missing the point.

It is just like telegram 10 years ago:

- Open-source

- Russian-owned and developed

- VC funded

- Staggering privacy promises

- realistically only 1 client implemented

- free servers from VC funding

That isn't private. There is zero reliable guarantee that their app won't be sending clear texts messages to some gov when your IP is deemed as "interesting".

Contrast that to PGP-alike NOSTR with hundreds of volunteer servers and dozens of client implementations where you can even send messages by paper if needed.

By all means, please do convince anyone here to place hopes on that telegram 2.0

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Hanshan 9mo ago 💬 3

ok so,

you cant host your own telegram servers.

and you dont have any privacy guarantees from them if you use theirs.

SimpleX cant read your messages,

by design.

even if you're using their infrastructure.

telegram can.

and you can always run your own Simplex relays.

SimpleX messages are always encrypted.

Telegram has option encryption in a closed source context.

these are big differences.

but sure i guess, don't use it because Russian people.

Ryu Santiago 9mo ago 💬 1

But muh Russia, Russia bad! Even if the Russians know the importance of privacy due to their country egregiously violating it!

brito 9mo ago 💬 1

What do you think VC money is provided for? Humanitarian reasons?

It is a business, care to guess who is the product?

Ryu Santiago 9mo ago 💬 1

Those who choose to self-host, thus increasing decentralization and censorship resilience while also ethically benefiting from establishing reliable private communication.

Read from the source, and not federal agents and/or privacy LARP'ers who'll heap praise on fucking Signal and Session as if THOSE aren't compromised.

https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/blob/stable/docs/rfcs/2024-04-26-commercial-model.md

brito 9mo ago 💬 1

You do realize that on that page they are literally inspiring themselves on Signal and "improving" the business model? 😂

Oh well. You will eventually get it after a few more years of promises. Enjoy the carrots! 👍

Ryu Santiago 9mo ago

Enjoy being confidently retarded, no use in wasting my time trying to appeal to someone proud of being wrong.

brito 9mo ago

Oh dear god. Still missing the point.

You are not compiling yourself the client and just blindly install binaries onto your personal phone

You *can* host a server but realistically you don't, nor do 99.99% of the users.

Yes, it is an improved mouse trap despite the very obvious red flags everywhere.

Congratulations, and enjoy the cheese!

Hanshan 9mo ago

no dude

your "point" is Russian dev bad and muh VC monies.

nobody compiles the app themselves, that threat isn't different on nostr either.

the security models of SimpleX and telegram (if telegram could be said to have a security model) are completely different.

so what, you're worried they're going to distribute a malicious build.

why is Simplex a bigger risk for that than anything else?