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Christian anarchism is not a denial of authority; it is a denial of ultimate earthly authority. Christianity has always distinguished between authority that exists and authority that is morally final. Scripture teaches that all authority is derivative (Rom. 13:1), that only God’s authority is absolute (Acts 5:29), and that human authority is therefore conditional and provisional.

Many arguments against Christian anarchism assume an unstated premise: if authority exists, then it must be morally binding in all cases. Christianity has never held this view. To say “Christians must obey governing authorities, therefore anarchism is incompatible with Christianity” quietly smuggles in the claim that earthly authority has final moral legitimacy. That is precisely what Christianity rejects.

Romans 13 is central to this discussion, but it is often misunderstood. When Paul says there is no authority except from God, he is not saying that every command issued by the state is righteous, that rulers always act justly, or that the state speaks with God’s voice. If that were true, Scripture would collapse into contradiction. The same Bible praises Hebrew midwives for disobeying Pharaoh, shows Daniel defying imperial law, records prophets condemning kings, portrays apostles refusing state orders, and presents Jesus Himself executed by “legitimate” authorities.

Romans 13 is descriptive before it is prescriptive. It acknowledges that authority exists under God’s sovereignty, that order is preferable to chaos, and that the state has a limited role in restraining evil in a fallen world. It does not grant the state moral supremacy.

This is reinforced by the language Paul uses. The Greek word hypotassō, translated “be subject,” means to arrange oneself under or recognize an order. It describes posture, not unquestioning obedience. Paul does not say “obey in all cases,” nor does he deny the possibility of resistance. His concern is that Christians not mistake violent rebellion or needless provocation for faithfulness.

Context matters. Romans was written to a persecuted minority living under pagan Rome, suspected of insurrection and lacking political power. Paul’s message is effectively: do not become violent revolutionaries; do not bring unnecessary retaliation upon yourselves. That is very different from saying Rome has authority over the Christian conscience.

Paul even explains why submission is generally appropriate: rulers are intended to restrain wrongdoing and preserve social order. This is a functional description, not a moral endorsement. If rulers were always just, Paul would not later portray worldly powers as beastly, expose Roman injustice throughout Acts, or die at the hands of the same authority he describes in Romans 13.

Biblical submission therefore has limits. It means refusing violent revolt, respecting order, and avoiding self-righteous rebellion. It does not mean silence in the face of injustice, moral surrender, or equating legality with goodness. Paul himself models this tension: he uses Roman law strategically, appeals to Caesar, publicly challenges unjust treatment, and refuses to stop preaching when commanded to do so. This is selective compliance, not absolutism.

Jesus’ own teaching pushes in the same direction. He rejected political power, refused violent revolution, declared His kingdom not of this world, redefined authority as service, and explicitly undermined domination hierarchies. Christian anarchists do not argue for chaos or the absence of structure; they argue that no human institution may claim the loyalty, coercive power, or moral finality that belongs to God alone.

God does use governments, but use is not endorsement. Assyria, Babylon, and Rome were all instruments in God’s purposes—and all were judged. Christian anarchism simply refuses to sacralize the state, treat legality as morality, or confuse obedience with faithfulness.

The early church embodied this posture. Christians refused emperor worship, would not swear ultimate loyalty to Rome, often rejected military service, practiced mutual aid instead of state dependence, and accepted persecution rather than violent resistance. They did not seek to overthrow Rome; they simply would not give it their soul.

Whether Christianity and anarchism are incompatible depends entirely on definitions. If anarchism means rejection of moral law, accountability, or responsibility, then it is incompatible with Christianity. But if it means denying ultimate earthly authority, prioritizing voluntary cooperation over coercion, obeying God over institutions, remaining skeptical of concentrated power, and practicing nonviolence and enemy-love, then Christianity does not merely allow it—it points toward it.

Arguing otherwise implies that the state can overrule God in practice. That is a far more dangerous theology than Christian anarchism.

Catholic Bible suggests "Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God."

NIV Bible says "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

Submitting, being subjected to, and being a subordinate to, does not mean blindly following rule.

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Well, put, something I've been thinking about in a new light recently.

so Jesus WAS an anarchist for love? and thats why they were scared of him. this makes perfect sense now

Anarchism means so many things to so many people, it’s basically a meaningless word.

If you want to abolish the state itself, that’s the line.

Abolish corrupt states, etc etc, that’s valid and Im down.

Authority is position and the legitimate source of power.

power doesn’t grant authority.

So as long as non-voluntary relations with asymetrical power dynamics exists as part of tbr human condition, which they do, look at every newborn, “the state” will be part of human nature.

"While overturning governments cannot help but cause upset, and often leaves matters much worse off- outgrowing governments offers the prospect of a smooth path to a safer, better environment."

I think we must be cautious, as we are slowly replacing human governance with machine governance, which can be more omnipresent and force centralization. It can then be possible to capture the machine government and rule absolutely.

I worry that overarching tech-anarchism might be leading us toward crushing, inescapable tyranny. It must be decentralized rule enforcement, in all cases, so that we don't undermine subsidiarity. Which is much much more difficult to build. As we can see, on Nostr.

Here is where I fundamentally differ from anarchists: *my goal is not the downfall or overthrow of the state*. In fact, I am largely indifferent to whether there is a government or not, or which type of government is best. *My goal is subsidiarity*: devolvement of power down to the lowest level of society, that can wield it efficiently and effectively.

This means that I usually agree with anarchists, in practice, since that level is usually the household, (religious) communities, or private business. If we one day manage to successfully devolve all power down to that level, then so be it. *Perhaps human states are simply an outdated model of governance.*

But it also means that I do not think being ruled by Mark Zuckerberg, George Soros, Eddie Wu, or $TRUMP is better than being ruled by the collective decisions of European voters, the people in my community, or by my husband. The one does not automatically follow from the other. Especially, if you are not living in America.

Unlike anarchism, which is a fixed state you can reach and declared victory, even if your celebration takes place on a pile of rubble — subsidiarity is a goal that can never be reached; a continual process. *Power will always push to centralize, as human societies are a natural centrifuge.* We must constantly fight to keep it dispersed.

I have had nearly two dozen years, to come to terms with *the virtue of obedience*, and to understand how to balance submission with my personal faith. In our age, this is arguably the least-popular virtue, after chastity. The obedient are mocked as mindless sheep. But that is the great error of feminism: not every human hierarchy is tyranny. *Not every human authority is illegitimate.* It is merely limited, restrained and qualified: by Natural Law, by the fine print in the Bible, and by the immediate or eventual competition with the return of the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Devolvement of power down to the lowest level of society, that can wield it efficiently and effectively.

Who is the judge? Is efficiency and effectiveness subjective?

No, they're natural forces, so the "best" level will tend to be the most stable one and the one that requires the least effort to maintain.

I will co-sign. I don't particularly care what kind of government we have as long as people are generally free to live good lives. In the end I would boil the function of government down to creating a stable environment for families.

If you need more levels because of size then the next level up should be restricted to creating a stable environment for the level below it, but not interfere with levels below that.

It would certainly make things simpler here in MN. Right or wrong, if MN wants to support immigrant families, then they shouldn't have to contend with a federal police force swooping in and taking people off the streets and out of homes.

The federal gov should regulate states, not the people in them.

I don't neven think states should be involved directly with people, that should beling to the smallest local level that can actually get to know them personally.

The problem with Minnesota is the same problem with Germany:

1. a state far from the border being overrun,

2. encourages foreigners to overrun it, against the wishes of the other states,

3. some of the foreigners move to that state, but not most of them,

4. fights with the other states, to keep the foreigners around,

5. demands the other states financially support the migrants,

6. other states get pissed off and stop taking it,

7. gets hit. Cries.

Their behavior puts into question the joint border, but the wealth of the states is largely based upon the freedom of movement between the states. If MN wants an open border, but TX doesn't want that, is there a moral obligation to side with MN?

This is the situation that led to BREXIT, after all. Should TX leave the Union?

Born anarchic...

Then moulded...

'socialised'.

The principleof just authority is subsidiary. The centralizing force is powered by usury. Get rid of it let the natural order return.

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