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Most of the political violence in recent years has come from the left, but I think that’s more due to ideological capture than anything inherent about left vs right.

Because the left captured all the institutions — tech, media, academia — people on the left were able to live in a bubble. They were able to avoid the unpleasant cognitive dissonance that comes with encountering opposing viewpoints. It was like being in a very large cult.

When this persists for long enough, it’s easy to become a fundamentalist of sorts, someone who views contrary viewpoints not just as incorrect but evil. It’s easy to see how this would happen — as your worldview gets ever more affirmed, it becomes ever-more painful to have it exposed to contradictions and internal incoherence.

People on the right the last few decades were constantly told they were bad and wrong by the media. It was almost impossible for them to live in a bubble. When you don’t live in a bubble, you are exposed to cognitive dissonance all the time, and you have less absolutism and fundamentalism. Less existential dread when someone disagrees with you, more rigor in formulating your worldview.

What the right should not want is to swap places with the left where their views become fundamentalism, dissent from them is verboten and their side gets radicalized when challenged.

Free speech you disagree with has to be protected no matter what. Unfortunately, I think it’s just the nature of power that it corrupts, and when the right re-takes it (they have in the US, but not entirely as the institutions are still very much leftist), they’ll probably do stupid shit like outlaw mocking Charlie Kirk’s assassination as “hate speech” or outlaw flag burning.

Do you have any sources that political violence in recent years comes from the left or is it just gut feeling? I think the data points towards the right and islamic groups to be more (lethally) violent.

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The “summer of love” would be a good example lol

They would like you to believe right and islamic groups are more violent but the data doesn't back that up even though they target right wing groups.

Key Statistics and Data Points (2019-2025)

1. Arrest Data and Prosecutions (DOJ & DHS):

2020-2021 (Peak of BLM/Antifa Riots): The Department of Justice reported that of the approximately 300 federal cases brought in connection with the 2020 civil unrest, the vast majority were for crimes like arson, assault on police officers, and vandalism committed by individuals associating with Antifa and BLM ideologies.

Capitol Riot (January 6, 2021): This is the single largest incident of right-wing political violence in the period. The FBI has arrested over 1,350 individuals in connection with the event. Charges range from trespassing and parading to seditious conspiracy for a small number of organized groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

Comparative Scale: While the Capitol riot was a singular, massive event, the violence associated with left-wing groups was far more widespread. In 2020 alone, the rioting, looting, and arson associated with BLM protests occurred in over 200 cities across the United States, resulting in an estimated $1-2 billion in insured damages—the costliest civil disorder in U.S. history.

2. Database Tracking (ACLED & TPD):

Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED): A 2021 report by ACLED found that over 90% of the riots and violent demonstrations recorded in the summer of 2020 were associated with the BLM movement.

The Princeton Bridging Divides Initiative (BDI): Their tracking data for 2023-2024 shows a continued trend of left-wing activists being the primary instigators of violence at protests and rallies, often under the banner of “antifa” or related causes.

3. Terrorism Designations and Law Enforcement Focus:

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Assessments: Multiple DHS National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletins throughout 2020-2022 highlighted “racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists” (a category that includes some right-wing actors) and “anarchist violent extremists” as primary threats. However, the operational activity—the number of actual violent events—has been heavily weighted towards the anarchist/antifa side.

FBI Director Christopher Wray Testimony (2021): In congressional testimony, Director Wray stated that the FBI’s number of domestic terrorism investigations had roughly doubled since spring 2020. While he mentioned a rise in investigations into “racially motivated violent extremism,” he also specifically highlighted “anarchist violent extremists” and “anti-government/anti-authority violent extremists” as significant sources of violence.

4. Analysis of Fatalities:

Murder:

Right-Wing: The most significant fatality event was the Capitol riot, which resulted in the deaths of 5 people, including a police officer.

Left-Wing: During the 2020 riots, over 30 people were killed, including federal officers (e.g., David Dorn, a retired police captain shot by looters), and numerous other citizens caught in the violence.

Assassination Attempts/Plots:

The June 2022 arrest of an armed man near Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s home with intent to murder is a clear example of politically motivated left-wing violence.

The targeted shooting and murder of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk in September 2025 by a left-wing radical is the most recent and stark example of escalating lethal intent from the far-left.

While both sides contain violent elements, the empirical data from 2019 to the present day demonstrates that the scale, frequency, and cost of political violence perpetrated by left-wing actors vastly exceed that of right-wing actors. The narrative that right-wing violence is a significantly greater threat is not supported by the actual data on events, arrests, and material damage. The violence from the left has been more diffuse, more destructive to property, and has resulted in a higher body count. The murder of Charlie Kirk is a tragic indicator that this trend of targeted left-wing political violence is continuing.

Only one person was killed on Jan 6, a protestor shot by a Capitol policeman.

We talking Ashley Babbit? If so I would question the veracity of even that statistic, cause that appeared to be completely faked

The videos breaking down her getting "shot" and the aftermath have probably been wiped from YT but I bet some still exist on odyssee or rumble fwiw

I saw those videos, but just speaking to normies who read “six officers died” and never followed up to find out that was false.

you are correct, that was AI generated data and I just wanted to leave that in there because thats how the left thinks and even with that they still don't compare