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Why is everyone (on Reddit for example) suddenly, or not so suddenly, so pro-war in Ukraine?

For example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/1j37b5c/meanwhile_the_uk_parliament_is_more_united_at/

More weapons, more ammo, more defence, more soldiers, more war? Where's the diplomacy here?

They want to completely obliterate Ukraine and/or drag the rest of Europe/UK to WW3?

Am I missing something here?

#uk #europe #war #ukraine #politics

I don't think anyone is pro-war in Ukraine, it's anti-Russia. Ukraine gave up nukes after the USA/UK/Russia agreed to leave them sovereign and provide security assurances, which has obviously been violated.

It amazes me that conservatives are suddenly so pro-Russia. The Cold War never ended, it just stopped getting press and changed faces and some tactics. Russia has propped up and allowed cybercrime to run rampant and continuously stirs the pot trying to divide and destroy America.

I don't have all the answers but it seems stupid to suggest we do nothing and let other nations steamroll through the world and continuously interfere with our own affairs.

It's the equivalent of sitting in your own apartment listening to someone going through the building torching and murdering the other occupants and thinking "not my problem".

Do you think they'll stop before they get to you?

Like half of what we gave them was old ordinance set to be decommissioned anyways and it's been like less than 1% of US GDP to fuck up Russia's day.

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I'm for the individual. And specifically for the individual against collective oppression, in any form. Ideology, nation-state, religion, etc, etc, etc. In my world there is better philosophy and not so good philosophy. And that's how I see the world. For me, this is all individuals legitimizing undemocratic and opressive ideas. Nation states are irrelevant. You lose your private property. You're not gaining any "sovereignty". You've now lost your house, life, etc, etc. You are not more sovereign if you actually escaped.

And then a lot of it attached to fear. "Do you think they'll stop before they get to you?". That's bad karma basically. You're finding a way to justify bad karma. This in Buddhism is explained by attachment, aversion, or ignorance.

There's a lot to unpack here. I could do it on a recorded conversion, or podcast. Because I think this line of thinking is precisely what will eventually lead to WW3. It's exactly the same feeling the lead to WW1. Precisely the same.

Anti war always. War is not a thing of plebs. War is a thing of dictators. On all sides. Don't die for dictators. Die for true freedom.

Philosophy and religion are fine things. Non-attachment is good. But when the drones and bombs are in your backyard I reckon you'll view things through a more pragmatic lens.

When the bombs are in your backyard you protect your family and yourself. You don't throw yourself to die and run towards the bombs do you? No, you escape conflict and protect your family.

Because this is not like a barbaric invasion of pre-history. There I would agree that there would probably no other choice but fighting. No, this is much more targeted.

Honestly I don't want to say this but it's the most valid point, if you really want to fight so much, why don't you enlist and fight today? If you really think this is the last threat, why aren't you fighting it?

More rationality and less emotional responses is what can really reduce war.

I have no intention of fighting or enlisting for another country. But I have no real qualm with giving aid in the form of old US arms scheduled for demolition anyways.

Eventually you run out of places to go, and will have ceded control to the enemy. What then? At some point fighting is the best option.

If it were the US being invaded or my home, yes. I own guns and would use them to protect what is mine—my property, my family. If your best suggestion is pack up and run then I’d argue you’re a coward.

I have no intention of discussing this further ✌️

And who is the enemy? Is it Putin? Zelensky? Your own state that was forcing you to give billions to Ukraine without asking you? Just like my own state does?

What's the difference between paying Ukraine taxes and Russia taxes? There's no difference, currently.

If you had asked the people if they wanted their house to be destroyed or be part of Russia they'd have said the later. Which they did in a referendum in Crimea. A referendum not respected by Ukraine. The people don't want wars, people just want peace. This war was decided top down, especially with the help of Boris Johnson, who argued against a deal.

The people never want war. Only the people that don't have to fight in wars, want wars.

Being pro-war from the comfort of your couch is pretty hypocrite to say the least. Go fight in the war, if you want it. Talking is cheap.