You asked me what they can make work.

They can make diesel motors work.

Some things benefit from a bit of overengineering.

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The OP was spot-on because socialism is the sort of thing that would require massive overengineering to work and even the world's spergiest overengineers can't do it.

When you say "overengineering", I think Italians, not Germans.

If my Mercedes was engineered by Italians, it would weigh half as much, but spent half its life on a hoist.

Germans don't overengineer. They just engineer, with terrifying levels of precision and redundancy.

I think his point was that they add too many levels, sometimes. They have no "good enough for now" level, at which they notice that returns are diminishing.

I associate Italians with overstyling. Everything looks fantastic, even if its something nobody is ever going to look at.

Italians don't overstyle, they just style, and they do it well.

But they overcomplicate anything mechanical, electrical or electronic. I had to work with a Sinus Penta VFD once. Never again! SEW or anything Japanese, thank you. Chinese if I'm paying :-p

I think that overcomlication on anything electrical goes more to french engineering, no?

Happy to hear that, i know nothing about engines and cars. I surely agree that german cars have quality (when not deceiving about gas emissions). But the arguement about the tanks in world war two is valid.

Yes but i also was talking about political systems not engines or sausages (i like german sausages). You can argue that even russians can't make socialism (in fact state capitalism) work or that even greeks can't make democracy work for more than a few years, but germans... better not speak at all gor such things 😃