Replying to Avatar Matt Corallo

I don’t really understand this kind of criticism (and not to pick on Will here, it seems to be from ~everyone).

Bluesky took a different approach - first build a product people want whose technology supports decentralization, and add the features the geeks want later. It’s easy to shit on their lack of decentralization, but Bluesky has made clear and consistent progress on that front since day one, and I assume they will continue to do so.

The result has been a product that’s growing (those user stats are pretty realistic, doubly so when you look at the number of accounts actually posting real content) way more than nostr with tons of anti-centralization features that nostr is missing (anyone can create a feed algorithm, and there are many, decentralized content tagging is a really cool innovation - different “adult content” tagging services, opt-in different moderation services, etc).

The federated model of Mastodon led to a trainwreck of fiefdoms run by weirdly obsessive and controlling mods, but Bluesky took that and addressed the issues by splitting moderation from hosting.

Sure, Bluesky’s hosting model means you don’t get the relay-redundancy that sets nostr’s censorship resistance apart, but that’s not all that hard to add in the future (with the sync assumption they make making it easier to make efficient, too).

Building the kinds of stuff Bluesky has on nostr is gonna take a huge investment, we can’t leave folks like Will stuck building critical nostr apps by himself. nostr:note1vpteqdxxlgkjndhghhlu4n47aj2sra5vgmdr465y4yfzwcshglvqrqann4

My main annoyance with a while back I checked in on it for some months and the discord felt like nothing was happening, and that it was a big tech project with no spirit. SourceCode repos were tumbleweeds. So them at some point they built out this thing which is in the marketing sense decentralized.

Meanwhile the speed and algo layer is all due to some huge hidden compute cost which is being paid by someone/VC. Feels like a trap. I'm checking it out and enjoying it but my key reservation is with hidden cost and ownership. Feels like my persona there is a product.

The nostr response that is like to see, if there is one, is for all the big relays to go paid and let us know and pay the cost of a bulletproof social network.

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Yea, sustainability is definitely a big question, I assume at some point they’ll have to add ads (or a premium option) like everyone else. If they manage to redundant’ize the hosting before then (assuming that’s something they want), though, they may end up just eating all of nostr’s features….