For some reason I cannot respond in thread to your comment about Farcaster. I’ve never used it but from what I can tell it’s nowhere near decentralized (AI assisted summary):

1. Wallet-bound identity:

Farcaster ties your account to your Ethereum wallet, exposing it to blockchain fees, governance risk, and potential censorship. Lose your wallet, lose your identity. (Vs infinite lightning wallets separate from keypair)

2. Centralized data hosting:

User data lives on Hubs, which are hard to self-host. Most people rely on a few trusted operators — a real chokepoint. (Nostr shares this problem with relays in practice right now, but spinning up a relay is a weekend project vs. a hub seeming a lot more technical)

3. Pay-to-play identity leasing:

Joining requires a fee or invite, and usernames must be renewed annually. It’s a rent-based system, not true ownership. (Yikes?)

4. Core-team-controlled governance:

Protocol changes come from a small internal team. There’s no open standard process like Nostr’s NIPs — even if messy, Nostr is at least public and forkable.

5. Feature creep increases centralization risk:

Frames and other “smart” features rely on external servers, making the protocol more powerful — but also more fragile and dependent.

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Hmmm, yeah, I'd say the summary is somewhat accurate. I'll address some of them.

1. This one is probably the only bullet point that I'd say it got totally wrong. 🙂 It's not tied to any Ethereum address you have. You get issued a new Ethereum address (which is relatively abstracted out), and no, there are no blockchain fees or anything described there. There's no censorship risk...the protocol is the protocol, and it's completely uncensored. Similar to nostr, at the client level, one can curate what they see.

2. This is accurate. I'm not sure what the technical requirements are to host a nostr relay, but I host a personal and private one on a mini PC with an N95 chip, so I'd imagine fairly low? I haven't looked into the requirements for a hub on Farcaster lately, but my vague recollection was that it is fairly high (like you'd need a powerful CPU, high RAM, LOTs of storage space, etc.)

3. Sort of accurate. There is a one-time fee to join (no annual fees) that is intended to add friction to spammers. I think it has helped keep the protocol relatively spam-free, but yeah, I would say it's a fair point. I read a couple of days ago they are going to sunset this within the next few months, but I didn't read the details, and I'm assuming there might be some asterisks involved.

4. True. To my knowledge, it cannot be forked, and yes, it's controlled by a small team. There is a bi-weekly dev call on Thursdays (which I suppose you can argue the fact one exists also highlights its centralization, haha). The protocol is mostly "raw," and those bi-weekly calls are intended more to talk about features for the flagship client, Warpcast, but protocol updates/changes do come up sometimes.

5. Frames are old...people have moved on to building mini-apps. Yeah, they do rely on external servers, but I feel like that's more decentralized than centralized?

Thanks for sharing -- it's helped me keep me intellectually honest and rethink some of my thoughts around Farcaster.

Even though I've got a busy professional and personal life, I try to maintain some sort of social media presence on the more notable decentralized platforms because I find a lot of value in self-sovereignty in data. From what I've seen so far, Farcaster has done the best job (albeit still imperfect) of finding that sweet spot of maintaining a relatively decentralized protocol at a relatively refined user experience. From what I've seen so far, Nostr is the most decentralized, but in some ways, that's also brought on some pain points. I'm not quite ready yet to submit a hypothesis yet though that you can't have the best of both worlds yet (full decentralization & optimal user experience).

The founder of Farcaster blocked me on X (I had already stopped using it directly but had been posting on it and tagging him via Nostr cross-posts) because I called him out on their registration system being email-based, after receiving a spam message to sign up. 🤣

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He’s in town this week for FarCon.

You can drop by and say hi, haha.

I’ll just reply to you with what I said to him. 💨

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Calm down bro. It was sufficiently decentralized.

I’ll decide when it’s sufficiently decentralized!

I remember telling someone on Twitter (before I went Nostr only) it was probably a rug and that they should consider investing in Nostr instead. They basically told me to go fuck myself. I guess we see who was right.

We’re all out here collecting the instances we’ve been told to go fuck ourselves like early Bitcoiners

Lol

TIL they raised $30M. JFC.

Meanwhile we’re literally running a bake sale over here.

Something about potential for audience capture being proportional to fundraising.