Eh. I don't think we are going to get to Mars. I honestly hope we don't.

But yeah, they do hate families.

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Why hope we don't rather than just suspect we might not?

i personally just think that there is plenty of earth-like planets out there in much earlier stages than ours and by the time we can travel efficiently to mars we can equally just go to those places.

i think that we don't leave the planet at all until we figure out gravity, and when we figure out gravity, we figure out wormholes and distance becomes irrelevant.

i think, in fact, that "we" effectively already have figured this out but these people went off and "prepared a place in heaven" for us.

Fair enough. I can understand "I think things will progress differently" I have a harder time understanding "I hope that project fails"

For me it comes back to being extremely pro-life. If humanity continues to tribe the way I hope it does then there will come a day when the collective mass of humans is greater than the mass of the earth. Ergo between now and then humanity needs to leave.

I am not predicting that this will happen, I am merely staying that if my philosophy encourages growth at any rate, then my philosophy also needs to include accommodating futures where there are too many people for Earth.

I don't think we are anywhere close to the carrying capacity of Earth, but there are days when I'd like just a bit more distance between me and the British Parliament.

i would like infinity distance between me and the ruling class lizards.

also, it's not that i "want it to fail" i'm of the opinion it just is doomed from its inception.

why would you want to live an a completely artificial environment when there is perfectly good, natural environments out there. it's just dependent on us mastering traveling to them. holography hints at the idea that there can be an instantaneous transit of a waveform from one location to another, and that the configuration of the whole system can be discovered by being able to actually measure the waveforms in a tiny part of space.

stuck down here, without that knowledge, all we get is progressively delayed beams of light emanating from far distant space. most of the light is from so far away, that nothing beyond a few light years is anywhere near where we see it, at this exact moment in time.

i think that without the retarding influence of the ruling class demanding virgin sacrifice and rape and human flesh for the last 6000 years we might have already got there, but all these stupid people believe the official narrative and don't even investigate it, people with the capacity to, but whose minds have been stunted by brainwashing. the orthodox models are wrong, and every step towards uncovering the correct model tends to be impeded deliberately. they want limited energy. they want limited transport. they can't suck the life out of us if we are infinity distance from them, which would be what anyone would prefer if they believed it were possible.

it is possible.

and i don't care about their stupid mars homo fantasy. stupid does stupid shit, that won't work, based on flawed models that are a mismatch with reality.

it's not wanting them to fail, it's KNOWING they will fail, and this is all just theatre about them telling us this story that they are superior and we are just fodder for their grandiose fantasies.

the state of astrophysics and biology is so so awful they don't even concern themselves with the problem of blocking radiation from the sun. the real main reason earth has life on it is that magnetic field. almost everything else would arise because of the protection of DNA from being scrambled. even the changing of the atmosphere to a composition like we have now, entirely depends on algae and other tiny plants growing in water. doesn't need to be a lot of water to start with, but sunshine, radiation shielding and water. that's it.

there is not very much water on mars. it doesn't have a geomagnetic dynamo, because it's not big enough, it has an induced field but life could not be surviving on the surface, it would have to be at least several feet under the soil, it's too cold because there is not enough atmosphere to form the electrical circuit that drives precipitation, and the simple fact that CO2 is the main component of the polar ice tells you the planet is just plain baked by x and gamma rays and UV and there is probably life especially underground near volcanic vents where there is more heat and sources of energy.

it's not just because of the heat. if heat was the only factor, mars would be covered in plants. it's not so cold it couldn't have plants. the plants would just lose genetic integrity. there is only one organism i know of that has a shield on it that could survive being outside of the protective atmosphere, that's fungal spores, many of them have very dense high carbon shells on them that block radiation enough to allow the DNA inside to survive. macroscopic forms that can survive constant ionizing radiation have very few parameters where they can absorb other forms of energy at the same time as blocking those damaging energies.

as well as all this, the heat is a factor. earth is just at a level where it spends around 20% of the time not frozen over. it's one of the most frustrating things about the gLoBaL wArMiNg bullshit that actually, the biggest danger is that it gets too cold. it was almost too cold 10000 years ago. the geological record and ice cores show that the planet has been mostly a popsicle for much of its existence. carbon dioxide actually helps a lot, as does water vapor and methane, to retain enough heat during winter that everything doesn't ice over. in actual fact, human population and matching increased CO2 and methane output would dramatically increase the fertility of the planet.

Nope. You can fit many more billions of people on the earth without being too uncomfortable, as there is so much of the current land mass to be subdued and made to be productive. Look at how many acres are in Texas alone.

Yes, but one good aimed moderately sized asteroid could put a quick end to it. For a long-term preservation of humanity, it would be probably beneficial to colonise other celestial bodies. More baskets for eggs.

I'm not convinced that will happen or that it has happened. Cataclysm? Yes. Unconvinced it is an external thing

You mean we float through the vast nothingness and the gigantic fission reactor that gives us literally all the power is infinitely stable? It just seems not very likely to me…

No. I don't think any of that statement is correct. 😁

But the cataclysms are purely internal things with no external inputs whatsoever?

i'm pretty sure it needs to be an antimatter reactor

i'm sure it will need maintenance but part of its output will run its magnetic containment cell where the reaction takes place

once you nullify gravity, you don't have a speed limit problem, and collisions are impossible because they require mass and that is nullified.

of course i have no idea how you build such a thing but unlike fission or fusion, antimatter really does yield the e=mc^2 amount of energy out of any matter.