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We had a meeting few weeks ago with concern citizens on how to mobilize a grassroot movement to help Palestinians beyond just giving charity.

Three points that were discussed:

• military (this we already cannot do)

• dismantling propaganda

• economic

The third one is where all the BDS comes to action.

However I can't help but think all these are just the branches when the root of money itself— is being held by that one entity.

Just wish I have enough perspicuity to explain about bitcoin to them.

Muslim Bitcoiner 2mo ago

The BDS movement is in the right direction! Yeah, it can be hard to explain bitcoin from this angle. I think the discussion should start with how fiat itself funds Israel military operations, and how we need to move off of fiat. Mention bitcoin in the context of being able to get around fiat, and how we can send it to Palestinians too. I use myself as an example. My family on my father's side is Palestinian, and I literally send bitcoin to my family in the West Bank. That usually gets people to start thinking a little bit.

I talk about the Palestine issue in the last chapter.

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Cykros 2mo ago

100%. Most of the anti-Zionist activists are sadly lefties, and a lot of Bitcoin's selling points aren't as compelling because they hate prosperity (or otherwise, associate it with Trump and/or Bukele). But, when you remind them that they're saving for retirement anyway, and their 401k is otherwise chock full of companies enabling the genocide, it definitely can open some doors.

Also doesn't hurt to bring up the Human Rights Foundation, Alex Gleason, and even stuff like the Fedimint project.

Cykros 2mo ago

Also worth remembering is that Saifedean is pretty dialed in on both Bitcoin and Palestine, being from Ramallah himself, and his twitter may give a treasure trove of talking points.

Muslim Bitcoiner 2mo ago

The main talking point that works for me is getting to see that i, as a Palestinian, can send bitcoin to my family in Palestine, right now. If they're a lefty, they can't really say anything to that 😊

oyhoyhoney 2mo ago

This is the perfect real life situation to show them how it's being used and circulates. Sometimes people need examples right in front of their eyes.

Muslim Bitcoiner 2mo ago

Yeah the lefties can be kind of hard to orange pill, but like you said, bringing up HRF and others will help and even bringing the issue of Palestine can also help to open their minds a little bit.

oyhoyhoney 2mo ago

That's true! We discussed how Muslims need to take back activism. Because my teachers who are on the ground almost everyday see it, most are the liberals/lefties/socialists. Whether we like it or not they mobilize, they make noise, and they are relentless. Prosperity should not be a problem as Muslims are encouraged to build wealth for the betterment of the ummah.

My first time hearing Fedimint. Will check it out.

Cykros 2mo ago

It's another Ecash protocol, somewhat similar to Cashu, but with a different trust model that is actually getting pretty interesting even for a pretty solid skeptic about custodial solutions, thanks to using a distributed trust model that, while smaller, isn't terribly unlike the trust solution Bitcoin itself uses. https://fountain.fm/episode/b3wgP0vWQqWvihzUF77J is a great recent look at the state of it if podcasts are your thing. Been seeing a fair bit of adoption in Africa.

And just be aware, there's Fedi, and there's Fedimint, and they're related, but not the same. https://www.fedi.xyz/ is a good place to look at direct information if you're looking.

oyhoyhoney 2mo ago

Ohh I've mentioned several times before this to my teachers how we are able to send bitcoin to the Palestinians. But I guess they still can't wrap their head around HOW exactly is bitcoin being used as daily transactions. They think you'd need to cash out, or exchange it for fiat, or anything along the same line.

Haven't reached the last chapter but I did browse through. Appreciate the effort to write an extensive yet practical book on this.