Subnostr

You know fees have to be paid, right? And they're quite expensive, both for opening and for closing. The LSP is paying these.

Zach⚡️ 2y ago

Right. But their model is based around preforming that service profitably, and if channels get force closed they get to do it multiple times.

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fiatjaf 2y ago

The force-closes happen because they must, the Lightning protocol depends on them, there is no way around that and the underlying implementations enforce it.

Zach⚡️ 2y ago

I understand. Is there nothing mutiny a specific happening though? I haven’t heard of any Zeus or Phoenix channels being force closed due to the Zeus Pay feature.

fiatjaf 2y ago

I don't know. I would expect them to close on Phoenix, Blixt, Zeus too under the same conditions too, but I don't want to try.

Zach⚡️ 2y ago

I use Zeus, we could run the experiment on my channel if you’d like.

I’ve personally paid a lot of other Zeus invoices which is why it seems (in my experience) that the force close problem is mutiny unique.

finch ☦️ 2y ago

It may be unique to LDK wallets.

BtcPins 2y ago

I could see, if HODL invoices were a problem for LSPs, for them to not allow payments for them to flow through their nodes. Fine. Turn it off.

For payments to HODL invoices from one wallet? A direct competitor to your service? Not the best look.