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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit

What makes 2 = 0?

How much higher than 2 would it need to get to not be 0? What stops it from getting that high?

How do you keep your node online without payment?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

if you don't have money to pay for the network connection you are not on the

network.

if you are that poor, you can't be part of the internet.

it's unfortunate, but the cost of internet access is very low in most of the world.

i literally push terabytes of data over my network connection in the boonies on an island in the middle of the atlantic. it only costs about 20 euros a month out of my rent contract bill.

without money to pay for the connection, you can't be part of the network, this is just a fact of reality that you can't change and no amount of crying is going to get you anything except slavery with someone who has manipulated the system to dominate you so you are that poor.

the end.

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

So now you've gone from "lightning is Bitcoin" to "lightning will be Bitcoin when we finish banning poor people from the internet"

What the fuck lmao

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

If poor people were the only people that don't like being scammed, and the future was the present, and a complete removal of poor people from the internet was guaranteed, then yeah, maybe you could force universal acceptance of "Bitcoin" and "lightning" as synonyms

But why are you talking to me about it if the goal is to remove me from the internet for seeming too poor?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

lol

doesn't take a very great amount of bandwidth to use nostr. probably not a lot more is required to run a lightning node but reliability will cause problems because most LN nodes will force close on a channel that is offline too often. bandwidth cost, is very low, probably no more than 128kbit is enough.

i'm not forcing anyone to accept anything, and you can't use bitcoin, or monaro, without an internet connection, but you also don't need much bandwidth, like i say, 128kbit is probably more than enough. i was using dialup 56kbit back in like, 1995, it's fucking retarded to say that you can't be part of the internet, and forcing you off it is not about the technology it's about manipulating massive numbers of people to allow this kind of bullcrap.

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

I do not need an Internet connection to hold Bitcoin or doggie coin or Monero, they are self custodial.

I still don't quite get what you're arguing for here

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

*hold or receive

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

so they're also self-receivable? Never seen that said

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

holding is not much good if you can't sell it to buy stuff.

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

But I'm not asking for self-spending

Custody involving less than 2 people makes sense as a goal, a transaction involving less than 3 people could make sense as a goal when using precious metals, but a transaction involving less than 2 people would never seem to make sense and it seems reasonable to expect many people involved in each cryptocurrency transaction (unlike precious metals for example)

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

To be clear - I mention a "third person" partly because you can transact silver one-on-one, face-to-face without an arbitrary fee but it doesn't teleport across the planet in 10 minutes like Bitcoin