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In my experience, I have run into many more finite resources than time and energy - breakfast and whisky being only two. You also say, on the one hand, that time is finite, and on the other hand, you seem to say it is unlimited, without border, timeless, immortal. I can’t reconcile this. Can you help?

Energy, from the greek, ‘energeia’ is activity, being at work. As a first principle, we can accept energy might be limited, but that doesn’t prove it.

Imagining a world completely actualized, with no remaining potential for actualizing, might be best for one with a theology other than mine. Aristotle taught that God, the unmoved mover, was also pure energy. It too is a lesson for one with a theory other than mine.

Do you believe that change itself is limited? In my understanding the concepts of potential and nothingness remain related and muddled - pure potential being nothing actual.

In the grand scheme of things, I believe I am too, in my being, encapsulated within time and change. On the one hand, does not give me a sense of immortality, while sometimes I wonder.

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Auxmos 2y ago

There’s a lot there. So I’ll speak to part of it.

Again, 10,000 ft remains helpful here ✈️:

“You also say, on the one hand, that time is finite, and on the other hand, you seem to say it is unlimited, without border, timeless, immortal. I can’t reconcile this.”

Time is finite. But if you can put it into a perfect vacuum it lasts forever ♾️. That’s the idea.

There’s no creating more time or energy, there’s only the potential preservation of what is.

A small amount of “time” (near) perfectly preserved for a very long time (read: infinitely ♾️) is “something like immortality.”

^I chose those exact words carefully in my original message, and I stand by them.

We aren’t arguing semantics. Those are two very different distinctions.

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Medici 2y ago

The concepts we use for time might be different. I think of it as a medium, the means of expressing, work or change. When you say it is finite, it seems to be more of an assertion than a proof. I don’t know the truth of it, but if I assume is is finite, then I get to prove different things with my deductions and observations than if I assume it is not.

Would a small amount of time be a duration wherein little change occurred? Or would it be some arbitrary quantity of a crystal’s vibrations? I think they are experienced very differently. An that experience makes them fundamentally different. I understand the world as change more than as time.

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Auxmos 2y ago

Ill be clear, I’m not a quantum physicist.

I suppose I should have said *as far as I can tell* time is finite.

“As far as I can tell is” is something like “truth that’s pragmatic and applicable.”

There’s plenty of theoretical truth that I have no interest in because it isn’t useful (that doesn’t make it untrue, it just makes it unproductive)

I’m not “assuming” truth is finite. *As far as I can tell* based on my lived, experiential reality, my time is running out 🕰️. That feels finite, and that’s enough for me to treat is as such.

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