Replying to 78e47dfe...

So part of it is true? Try to be more nuanced because saying these animals live in bad conditions and insinuating these farmers don't care about their animals is bullshit.

Besides, who desides what harmful is (you? Science brought forth by government that has a different agenda? ) and wtf if 'fiat agriculture' anyway?

Look, I buy my food from a farmer that doesn't use antibiotics or pesticides. I support better farming, Dutch farming isn't perfect. But stop framing those other farmers like they are evil and governmental landgrab/intervention is justified. Don't like their business? Don't shop there.
Avatar
The Guy That Looked Into It 2y ago

Have you seen how animals are kept in most large centralized "organic" farms? Sure they probably have a better life than at the industrial farms, but they usually are still kept in relatively small indoor spaces without free access to to land and sunshine. Their feed is still unnatural most of the time as they are fed with grains, instead of fresh grass and insects.

Harmful is anything that is unnatural. Putting chemicals into the soil is harmful. Feeding cows with grains is harmful. Injecting animals with antibiotics and vaccines that contain a lot of toxins is harmful. Restricting animals movement and access to nature is harmful. Pasteurizing fresh produce depriving it of most nutrients is harmful.

I don't have beef exclusively with Dutch farmers, my beef is with fiat agriculture in general. And I definitely don't support anything that government is doing. Not in this case, not in any other. Government regulations are responsible for creating this industrial agriculture mess in the first place.

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

78
78e47dfe... 2y ago

You don't have to convince me about your preference of farming practice, we share that. As long as you realize it's nothing but a preference, not some fact or moral highground which the state is allowed to enforce.

My point was, you don't seem to know much about Dutch farming. It isn't black and white like you make it out to be. There are countries, lthat use much worse farming practices.

Avatar
The Guy That Looked Into It 2y ago

It is the only ethical preference. Never had I said anything in support of gov actions, obviously they are criminal as usual.

As I said, no beef with Dutch specifically, but it is a fact that the vast majority of industrial agriculture in all of the world is often harmful to the ecosystem and tend to produce inferior products to regenerative permaculture alternatives.