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Thanks for clarifying.

My argument here is that this is using technology and ideology to distort sex and human sexuality. Sex isn't_only_about procreation but it is_fundamentally_about procreation. So technologically dislodging sex from procreation and ideologically dislodging sex from the marital covenant is upstream of a lot of our cultural rot.

It isn't "casual" because it is so destructive.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Those are all opinions, not proven facts.

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Virtus 5mo ago

Mass infanticide via abortion (1M+ since 60s)

Rise of STIs

Increase rates of fatherlessness

Declining birth rates

Declining marriage rates

No fault divorce

Rampant pornification of everything

OnlyFans culture

Sexualization of children

Further degradation of the traditional family

The pill destroying women's bodies

To name a few "facts" that are directly related to postindustrial feminist ideology and birth control technologies.

I enjoy the engagement on these subjects but since your main retorts against me are "who are you to say?" and "why evidence do you have?" and "those are all opinions" I am bowing out and will simply encourage you to do the research here. And to read the Bible.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

If they’re using birth control correctly, then the abortion risk doesn’t apply here.

I’m not completely convinced about the STI stuff. A lot of what I’ve read about HIV seems like nonsense so everything else is in question for me.

Fatherlessness has increased because of fiat. It hasn’t increased because of birth control.

No fault divorce has nothing to do with birth control.

I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. You can have your opinions that birth control is bad or immoral. But all I’ve tried to say is that the state of women today is more a result of birth control instead of feminism.