The land is thin. The money is thinner. Both have been strip-mined for short-term gains. If fiat money debases wealth, fiat farming debases soil. Cathedral is a blueprint for land the way Bitcoin is a blueprint for money. This is where the two worlds meet: a thousand acres designed like a cathedral, meant to hold value for generations.
Discussion
This is a similar farm concept to what current employers are selling to clients, but under the guise of carbon credit systems. Your design is much more holistic and morally wholesome!
DB: This be a general commentary and appreciation for/on your Great Work, your creative works, including Cathedral Project. Though the particulars will tend to focus on that which came up in Cathedral IV.
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You have beautifully and eloquently summarized the Bitcoin x fiat x soil x... relationship of Cathedral Project in few words while also providing an example, with the keystone particulars of this story, of how regenerative spirals might work or look. God technologies is right!
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Communications.
I appreciate seeing the ways you use Nostr. Like how you regularly remind, introduce and invite people to (explore) your Cathedral Project even though you are not necessarily posting new content. It exemplifies well what came up in your read of liminal's article, "Understanding Knowlede", or your later podcast conversation: (it is possible to) use a Nostr note in a multitude of ways. I don't know what all your reasons for making, or ways of using, the "lowly" note are. Some of them MIGHT be for/as: summary; promotion of Cathedral and the themes therein; informal index; regular, repeating reminder (and log) of Cathedral and its development; invitation for listener-reader feedback~~ ; episode plan, "ToC" or slideshow notes; notice of episode release (text/article or podcast); taster; tester; provide snippets from a particular part in the series/project; short spurt of details, particulars or quotes; best choice of hashtags+++
~~ Author, business leader and teacher Carol Sanford says feedback inhabits "world-as-machine" worldview, the mechanistic, linear and reductionist paradigm which is not useful for, or representative of, living systems and so we might be mindful of our use of the word, or what it really means.
+++ BTW, i (Pangaea) am still looking for the syntax on such things as creating hashtags--i mostly publish to Nostr from within Primal though i usually do the longer, more involved communications, within LibreOffice first. I learned that you need to put single quotes around the Nostr user name to have it show up as @Pangaea in your note. You might do that if you aren't following that person. Is this the kind of thing that would be made easier with Primal Studio. I saw somebody had a screenshot of what looked like a fancier dashboard or workspace in some Primal world/product and maybe this was that!
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Grass, Legume 'n' Forb.
I appreciated the detail you got into about the particularities of grasses, legumes and forbs and how much they should be eaten down relative to below-ground effects of this grazing. Fascinating. Also about the plants' effects on fertility or how they provide some kind of picture of existing conditions of the soil, land.
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Corresponding Below-Ground Effects of Above-Ground Disturbance.
After hearing about the particularities for the forb and grass world (once again from Episode IV), I wondered about the BELOW ground effects of: chopping down, prunning, coppicing, thinning, felling, pollarding, beaver activity,.... Particularly for/of bushes, trees, ?vines?, more lignin-containing plants, woody plants. Perennials of the NON-forb, -grass type. What happens in the subterranean world after chop 'n' drop? I had heard of the release of N (nitrogen) by the roots after above-ground cutting, as well as some sloughing or leaving behind of organic material. Feed, sponge, aerate, fertilize,... from BELOW with the gift of these organic material ecojewels.
I remember Peter Bane (previous editor/publisher of Permaculture Design magazine--formally called Permacultre Activist magazine) writing about the upward and downward pattern (of soil improvement, soil fertility, water, nutrients,...) possibly resulting from our management or cultural practices such as how keyline is done top-down or from the top (allowing water to drain in, organic matter to fall in, allow a pathway for roots to get a good momentum from, entrance of air,... while the results of seeding, planting applying liquid sprays or injections can move upwards and in man other directions (to improve the soil,...) with the plant roots moving minerals, water, nutrients up or to needed parties; as well as the microorganisms that shuttle and share things and information around given that it is, by default, a world based on overflowing abundance.
[I later heard this in Cathedral V.]
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Geology.
I was not aware that the majority of rocks are made of, or originate in/from, carbon!
I appreciate this geology snippet since geology, the land, topography has often (when i remember) been a solace for me as to putting things into perspective and remembering my essence. My petty, relative, supposed problems were rather insignificant or when i imagined the intensity of several kilometers thick ice having grinded by over the land where i now stood and to think the current little hills of the highlands here were once as tall as the Himilayas are today! "Geology as god" i remember some kid from another high school telling me this and that geology was his god. We certainly wouldn't have heard that at our Catholic school where we had to, amoung other relative horrors, wear uniforms daily.
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Brilliant Synthesization and Emergence of/as Cathedral Project.
In general within this Cathedral great work, i am greatful for your hard work in synthesizing and pulling together from all of the diverese materials you have read, experienced and learned about in the fields (pun intended) of soil, grazing, plants, systems thinking, grasslands, and on and on... A rich nexus forms here and exemplifies emergent design--also the kind of emergence of linking and creativity which occur in the sense of liminal's "Understanding Knowledge".
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Boat, Liferaft.
The boat analogy is also brilliant in helping to describe the process of the 'flowing', synergistic silvo-pastoral system. I could "see" the boat with its different parts--like the wake--increasingly so as you gave examples or explained which part was what: how the boat/lifeboat translated to what's happening in the field with animals, trees, followers (as in lead and follow grazing systems--may not be the official word), microorganism, sectoral flows,...
As well, it is interesting how the boat can be explained and used in a variety of ways, yet still keep the analogy afloat. For example, how one can choose whether biochar & microorganism-charged liquids sprays* or drenches ** can be given to the plants, land(scape)(s) before OR/AND after the passing of herbivores, browsers, grazers. Depending how the mix, bio-stimulants, elixir treats them.
* So as to ideally reach as much of the plants' phyllosphere as possible! Consider surface area and style/pattern language of leaf surface, stomata, leaf-whole tree surface area. This also reminds me how people design clay-based sprays for apples so as to keep certain bugs away and possibly also for the seperate function/reason of feeding via the stomata.
** ?Usually? applied to soil, mulch rather than to plant surfaces.
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John Kempf.
Yes, i also appreciate John Kempf and the great work he is doing. There has been much mind-blowing, illusion shattering stuff revealed to me by John (mostly his podcast or interviews of him).
He was recently interviewed (see towards the beginning of the interview at the link below) by Matt Powers and they get into the power (as in to empower; pun intended: Matt's surname) of writing, physically writing with pen(cil) and paper. To use paper in general. Analog life. Author Matt Powers released his physical books first, then the e-books and maybe also audio books. Hold the newspaper in your hands. Something palpable. (Start a fire with it after; or use it to catch or mop up messy work; or as insulation; stuffing). The power of writing, or other communication ways, in that it moves the idea, project, inspiration, vibe, dream, step,... further along. Iteration. Matt uses a refillable pen. I seem to remember he spends plenty of time every day writing (by hand). I am not dissing digital or saying only analogue world. The two can co-exist and are actually on a continuum. In this case, i am describing these analog(ue) tech stacks--as many are forgotten, in disuse or have fallen because of the logical fallacy of new(er) is better, appeal to novelty (argumentum novitatis).
Regenerative Questions & Insights with John Kempf
A Regenerative Future podcast with Matt Powers episode 203
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MC-ULTRA survivor Cathy O'Brien also talks about the power of writing and how writing by hand connects the left and right spheres. Anyways, she explains it more eloquently as she has also been able to deprogram, reverse and heal herself from many years of mind control trauma and abuse. It is truly amazing how she has turned her life around and is now able to help and inspire others with her interviews, books, blog, presentations,... Poetry and writing have helped her. One of her signature, keystone quotes is: "Voice no negatives without a SOULution."
A recent interview by Greg Reese might be a place to get introduced to Cathy O'Brien:
https://substack.com/@gregreese/p-168962972
(In case this link doesn't come up in Substack, it is from July 27, 2025.)
Her interview on Greg Carlwood's the Higherside Chats podcast is also a good bet:
Cathy O’Brien | MK Ultra Mind Control, Mark Phillips, & The Slave Society Agenda
Her 3 interviews by co-hosts Dr. Barre Paul Lando and Mike Winner of Alfacast (part of AlfaVedic)--numbers 118, 169 and 230--are also fantastic:
https://alfavedic.podbean.com/e/118-the-resiliency-of-the-human-mind-spirit-w-cathy-o-brien/
https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PB134DD7E3P6RS
https://alfavedic.podbean.com/e/230-out-of-the-trance-into-awakening-w-cathy-obrien/
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The above analog tech stacks have given me some ideas as to what's going to go into my (constantly evolving):
1.) Lifestyle Design (i first heard this term from Jack Spirko, of the Survival Podcast), or
2.) RetroFuture Tech, Culture & Life Pallette.
The main idea is that we can mix and match the technologies, cultural practices and beliefs we hold and use so as to create our own mosaic which can come from various different times in history, climates, cultures,... I got this idea from John Michael Greer's book titled “RetroFuture: Looking to the Past to Reinvent the Future”. Listen to Greg Moffitt, host of Legalise Freedom podcast, interview Greer about this book.
Legalise Freedom podcast, February 2018 episode:
John Michael Greer – The Retro Future: Looking to the Past to Reinvent the Future
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Although a long reply, believe it or not, all these points are originally connected with, or sparked from, some snippet from your Cathedral series!
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