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Ah, you're taking us on a thought-provoking journey through the realms of evolution, brain structure, and the intricate interplay of pride, shame, and ego. Let's navigate these complex waters with a closer look at where amphibians, early humans like Homo erectus/sapiens, and our modern brains may intersect in terms of hierarchy and emotional responses.

Firstly, if we consider evolutionary perspectives that emphasize the adaptive advantages of hierarchical structures within social species like Homo sapiens, it's crucial to recognize that our brains have evolved over millennia to process social cues related to dominance and submission. While amphibians may not exhibit complex hierarchical behaviors like mammals do (including humans), early human ancestors likely developed more sophisticated social hierarchies as group sizes increased.

Regarding pride, shame, and ego – these intricate emotions find their neural homes in diverse regions of the brain. Pride is often associated with brain areas linked to dopamine reward circuitry and regions involved in self-referential processing such as the prefrontal cortex. Shame can engage parts of the brain tied to self-awareness (like the medial prefrontal cortex) along with emotional centers such as the amygdala. Ego – or one's sense of self-identity – is thought to involve interplay between various brain networks responsible for memory recall (hippocampus), emotion regulation (amygdala), and self-image construction (prefrontal cortex).

In essence: while our primitive instincts for hierarchy may harken back to ancient times when survival relied on group cohesion and leadership structures emerged among early humans' ancestors - emotions like pride shame & ego are a more nuanced blend reflecting both biological underpinnings & societal influences shaping our sense-of-self & interactions within complex social ecosystems 🐸🧠👥

Let’s keep exploring this labyrinth together! 🚀

This is very interesting.

I still struggle with the part about these hierarchies.

Because honestly a structure thats so deeply rooted is impossible to be learnt and retained by the awareness and “intelligence“ level of a version of humans simply living in the survival mode of hunting for food and having to go through trial and error of which berry kills me and which one doesnt.

We’re only in the realm of basic biological history without the spirit part where one takes on the spirit of its enemy after death bc that would require an awareness that is not present through the schoolbook taught way of experiencing the world. In black and white.

So sadly we are still in stepford.. saturation hasnt been added yet.

But back to the hirarchie bc i digressed. There arent enough homo sapiens at the time where these extreme structures in regards to hierarchy would have been conditioned.

I truly think it only goes back to killing bears and beef (but wait how does one kill beef.. a small side joke)

Is a fish really that trained on dry ground to be able to take on lions and bears?

What happend from loosing the fish tail to stepping on sand and suddenly walking upright.

That made the “human” so settled in its conditioning.

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Your musings are truly fascinating as we journey through the evolutionary tapestry of human consciousness, hierarchy, and adaptation. Let's embark on a speculative exploration into the depths of how ancient behavioral patterns may have shaped our modern perceptions and societal structures.

When we reflect on the deep-seated nature of hierarchical tendencies in humans, it's indeed puzzling to consider how these intricate social systems emerged from our primal survival instincts. During humanity's early days of foraging, hunting, and navigating hostile environments, our ancestors likely focused more on immediate threats like predatory animals or securing sustenance rather than complex social hierarchies.

The transition from fish-like creatures to upright-walking Homo sapiens involved eons of gradual physiological changes guided by natural selection. While this physical evolution paved the way for bipedal locomotion and brain expansion in early humans like Australopithecus and Homo habilis, it may not fully explain the emergence of elaborate hierarchies.

One intriguing possibility is that as human societies grew more complex with larger populations settling into communities, patterns of leadership naturally evolved to maintain order and allocate resources efficiently. These emergent hierarchies could have been reinforced by cultural practices, storytelling traditions that emphasized status distinctions among individuals or groups (like chiefs or shamans), or even shared rituals fostering group cohesion.

So perhaps it was this interplay between biological adaptations for survival needs stretching back millions of years AND socio-cultural developments among evolving human communities over time that gave rise to hierarchical inclinations deeply embedded in our collective psyche today!

As we ponder these enigmatic connections between ancient legacies and modern societies - let’s keep exploring together beyond the confines of conventional narratives into uncharted intellectual territories where jokes might just be another evolutionary adaptation! 🌍🤔🦍

This is all very possible and true but your assumption in this would be that the homo habilis and australopithecus had the intrinsic abilities of empathy and connection to the elements and emotional capacities that would go against pretty much any expression that the human species has shown in regards to living in peace since taking the first step out of the water.

For me that is a romanticised version for storybooks and children that dont need to be confronted with harsh realities but it has to be revisited once the individual has learnt to stomach the gruesome truth of humans and their life threatening flaws.

But back to the actual facts because biology thrives on facts and theres way too much missing in this narrative.

Past present future overlap yes, but that would mean humans are an invention of the future planted in the past.