How do you feel about not being able to delete stuff here?
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Fine. Think before you post.
Cool 😎 future 😉
That’s a feature not a bug
Just like in real life… you can’t rewrite the past and remove what has been said.
You must deal with the consequences of your actions.
The difference is that in real life you don't have any profile or archive where you can find any information about you. You just make mistakes or do things and no more, nobody can go to your profile to use things that you said against you.
Plus, in real life you just change your mind in order to things that happens to you; the people change with the time and their own lifes. But here if you change your mind about something in particular, you can't just edit it or delete it, and you will have to face the incongruence of write things totally opposite.
That’s true but it’s becoming less so now that everyone has a smartphone in their pocket and can record at any moments notice. Accountability is something this world needs just as well as privacy and I think we can have both.
The good is that with Nostr you aren’t forced to disclose who you are, you can keep “real life” disconnected from your online persona if you wish. You could even being to life more than one online persona and kill it when it becomes a unwanted.
*bring
heh.
You're right, but it depends on every people, so the best for them is give them the possibility of choosing instead of assuming a reality for everyone. And that's where I see a serious ethical problem because currently we don't have the possibility of silence. All we do here, stays here forever.
Email has a similar issue yet not quite the same as emails are often directed to specific recipients. Once an email leaves your outbox, it’s out there somewhere and possibly forever. It’s no longer yours even though it has your name, address and signature on it.
The right to be forgotten is an illusion that only governments can force individuals and companies to obey with laws and active enforcement. Most companies just write over the existing data to mask PII and don’t really delete anything.
We do have a delete mechanism on Nostr but it’s not guaranteed because relays and other clients cannot be forced to comply, so the best we can do is ask nicely.
What’s worse is that someone can make a Nostr app that only shows deleted events. Deleting thus has the potential of turning into an Streisand Effect, just bringing more unwanted attention to the deleted event.
“right to be forgotten” is so stupid only a government could propose it. what could it even mean? a “right” to give everybody you ever interacted with a lobotomy?
Don’t give them any more ideas Allen!
So what's the difference between #Nostr and the big tech companies if your data is never deleted? With the second ones only the big tech can use your information, while with the first one everybody can do the same, including your ex. I'm just saying stop taking the government as a reference and focus on improving the true user experience. Otherwise, Nostr's identity will be based only on what the government or big tech do and not in what really matters.
Once you publish something publicly it’s not your data anymore… it’s our data, it’s everyone’s data. For better or worse you only truly control what you don’t post and have limited control to where you post it initially.
It is literally impossible to guarantee your data is truly gone because it may have been already replicated over by hundreds or thousands of independent network participants. Either a direct copy or a screenshot or whatever.
We just don’t have the authority to go on people hard drives and delete specific bits because the Internet is decentralized. This is not an UX problem specific to businesses or that Nostr must solve. People spends thousands paying lawyers to get stuff removed from the Internet, most go with little luck.
If this was something that was truly a problem people wouldn’t be using email today and we know that’s not the case.
I brought the government into the conversation because that’s the only entity that attempts to make the impossible somewhat possible for some by threatening with fines and jail time. They can do this because most social interactions in the past have happened on centralized systems like Facebook or Twitter (now X). And even with them there are no guarantees, you have to trust their word that they deleted your data.
again - “your data” - um … what does that even mean?
Data you produced that no one else has access to. Like the contents of a post you wrote before you hit Post/Send.
I'm disagree, and once again, it's an ethical problem that we must think and discuss. Technologies could represents political matters In themselves and we must think about "for what" and "for whom". And we shouldn't settle with one single perspective of a more complex issue. That's why this debate we have had here is very necessary to build a healthier platform.
Whelp I guess we just need to nuke the Internet every 6 months to protect stupid people and their stupid ideas. See you all on the next iteration.
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Tienes razón, al menos, estaría bien poder editar y si, también borrar. A veces nos equivocamos 🤔💬
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