Muun is self custodial, but it's not a Lightning wallet. It's a good way to let you use your on-chain funds on LN (through Muun's node), if you're OK with the fees associated with that.

If you want self-custody Lightning, Phoenix is the easiest solution. Breez is good too.

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Can i use breez n phoenix without running my own node?

Phoenix and Breez are both lightweight but full Lightning nodes that run directly on your phone. So no, you need to run a node. But they come with it and manage all the channels and liquidity for you, so you don't need to run a *separate* node.

πŸ‘† and Blixt wallet are recommended noncustodial wallets

I haven't messed with Blixt yet, but IIUC they don't manage liquidity for you, is that right?

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So from what i understand

Non custodian : breez, phoenix, blitx

Not sure: muun

All of this can run without a node? (Or rather, a phone relay?)

You can enable Dunder LSP in settings for that. Haven't used it yet. #[9] is the dev and may be able to answer questions on it. πŸ€™

Actually i dont understand this.

It is self-custodial, but not a lightning wallet? How so?

Read their docs. Your Muun funds are stored on chain. When you do a Lightning payment, you actually send funds to Muun's Lightning node and they forward your Lightning payment to the recipient via a technique called a β€œsubmarine swap”. And vice versa for funds sent to you over Lightning.

Ah, understood. Like a proxy.

But is it safe? Like in a doomsday can i retrieve my funds?

I feel phoenix is ok but im concerned with the way it handles the mnemonic.

it's safe, but if you plan on utilizing Lightning more than onchain it's not the best wallet choice. Fees could get out of hand pretty quickly

ah sorry i was thinking we're talking about muun.

forget what i said

It is muun