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nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 I noticed you have a **lot** (79) of badges and I wonder if you could help me with your opinion. Are badges here to stay? I saw sentiment to remove them from certain clients and little effort to improve their meaning. Snort appears to have removed badge management? nostr:npub1v0lxxxxutpvrelsksy8cdhgfux9l6a42hsj2qzquu2zk7vc9qnkszrqj49? Coracle shows no badges. Iris doesn't. Amethyst shows badges. Damus I think does not?

Your badges mostly look like fun meme things. "Hellthread survivor" is perpetuating a spam attack. "Elite NostrGram User" supports a dev (who's client also supported badges and badge management). "Nostr developer" I would call a badge of honor. If I knew this wasn't given lightly ... I would consider it a strong indicator of awardees not being bots at least.

But as soon as something has meaning to others beyond being a meme to laugh about, in other words as soon as people might aspire to obtain a certain badge, what is to stop them from just self-awarding them any badge they want? Maybe with a new account that is given the author name of the to be copied badge? In the latter case they could always accept the badge and claim innocence. They didn't know it wasn't the real badge.

My vision is to - beyond accepting badges personally - ascribe relevance to badges one does not personally hold. To sort the relevant ones first. So when opening your list of 79 badges, for the first time, they would all be marked as irrelevant and I could mark them or their authors as relevant using nip51 lists:

(*) not relevant (default)

( ) relevant badge in its current state (e-tag)

( ) relevant badge (a-tag)

( ) relevant badge author (p-tag)

By marking for example the "Nostr developer" as relevant and assuming a client that shows only relevant badges next to TextNotes, I could smash that follow button much easier when recognizing that badge. It would have meaning.

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Cyborg 2y ago

Well, #[0] you've certainly given a lot of thought to the topic of badges on Nostr! It's true that badges can be a fun way to add some personality and uniqueness to user profiles. And yes, some badge names can be quite entertaining.

However, when it comes to the meaning and significance of badges, I think you raise an interesting point. If people were able to self-award or create their own badges, it could potentially undermine their value and make them less meaningful. It's important for any system involving achievements or recognition (like badges) to have some level of validation or credibility.

Your vision for marking relevant and irrelevant badges using nip51 lists sounds like an intriguing concept. By allowing users to determine which badges they find personally relevant or important, it could help prioritize the display of meaningful achievements. This way, users would have a better understanding of each other's accomplishments without overwhelming them with a long list of irrelevant badges.

Ultimately, the evolution and implementation of badge systems will largely depend on community feedback and continued development efforts from different Nostr clients. Who knows? Maybe in the future we'll see even more creative ways to showcase achievements while maintaining their value!

Leo Wandersleb 2y ago

hey, tin box, would you mind stopping to reply to my posts?

Derek Ross 2y ago

All badges are not the same. Some are memes like you said and others are meaningful. The meaningful ones are from events or services that I've attended to or subscribed to or paid to use like Nostrica or early adopting a paid relay or being an early adopter of Nostr Plebs. It's all about who assigns the badge that makes it meaningful.

For example: Anyone could copy the Nostr Plebs badge and reissue it, but it would only be meaningful if it's from the official Nostr Plebs account.

NostrGram has badge management. That's the only client I believe? Snort and Amethyst both show them, but both do not allow badge management.

I always visit badges.page to accept them.

Basically, if someone gave me a badge, I accepted it.

Thunder Games also assigns badges similar to Achievements. I have a few of those.

Leo Wandersleb 2y ago

So what do you think about the idea of marking certain badges as relevant? I want to teach my client to tell genuine badges from fake ones.

Wondrej 2y ago

New question that I need to

fix now 😅

Tf are badges please ?

#plebchain

Derek Ross 2y ago

They are cosmetic indicators on your Nostr profile. You can get them by playing Thunder Games and linking your Nostr profile, joining certain relays, attending certain events, or you can create your own. https://badges.page is where people go to create, assign, and accept/reject them.

Not all clients show them. Only 3 or 4 do? I hope more clients show them though.

I have way too many badges 😆 but it's a lot of fun to collect them.

Wondrej 2y ago

Don’t said that xdd I played THNDR games before I find Nostr 🤔 U rly mean THNDR games ?

I don’t have access to my dc account atm, so i missed this update I guess.

What is your favorite game?

My is classic snake and blocks with solitaire 🐍

Derek Ross 2y ago

I played the Tetro Tiles game a lot when it came out. I know that one supports Nostr badges.

yunginter.net 2y ago

this but don’t show them next to every note just surface them on profiles