Ukraine built up it's military _after_ being invaded, not before.
United Kingdom and the USA are actually obliged to defend Ukraine against Russian aggression, and have failed to do so.
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"United Kingdom and the USA are actually obliged to defend Ukraine against Russian aggression"
Why?
Because that was the deal Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons for, while the US that can actually defend themselves without nukes kept a fuckhead sized arsenal
Russia was a part of that deal in 1994 too…
Pretty sure there’s no deal n e more lol
Did you have a stroke and forget to type your whole train of thought in between the beginning and end of this comment?
Or are you trying to imply the deal was "we will defend you as long as you don't get attacked, but if you get attacked the deal is off"
"Or are you trying to imply the deal was "we will defend you as long as you don't get attacked, but if you get attacked the deal is off""
When the attacker is as part of an agreement yeah pretty sure it’s null and void…
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
Stop wasting my time if you can't explain your points. Trolling doesn't make you cool
I made my point… you under no circumstances give up weapons for peace as you get neither afterwards…
Why don’t you stop eating people’s time…
Well, that's what they're effectively telling Ukraine to do, again. They have built resilient fortresses along the border to the Russian-controlled lands, that Russia hasn't been able to take. They call those areas "the meatgrinder", if you get the drift, and it's nearly stopped the advancement.
So, Russia is trying to get them to give those fortresses up by treaty, in exchange for Russia pinky-swearing that it will be friendly and nice to them, forever, in exchange.
But Ukraine did that last time, and the whole Russian-pinky-swear treaty thing didn't really work out well for them. Now, everyone screams at them, that they are war-mongers, but if Russia mows them over, 5 minutes after they abandon the fortresses, those same people will be like, Oh, nobody could have seen that coming... Woops.
Well no. And i don't think anyone, including ukrainians disagree with that. Except if you mean that the ukrainian army grew in numbers with the conscripts. Other than that, they were building an army and fortresses like the one in Avdiivka for years before the invasion.
The START treaty expired in 2009 and only the US and Russia reiterated their commitment to Ukraine's border integrity.
Okay, so where are the US forces, to reinstate the Ukrainian border? The border is no longer integer.
US security guarantees are not worth the paper they are written on.
Russia sends in tanks. USA sends a tweet.
Russia and the USA agreed to continue to respect the Budapest Memorandum, which has as its first clause:
> Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
We’ve given them almost 190 billion dollars…
No, actually, you haven't. Most of that money was spent in the USA or by the US military in Europe. 20% was loans, not grants. Some it was promised, but not yet sent, as it can take years for contracts to clear. They've received more like $75 billion, directly to the Ukraine government.
Anything "associated with Ukraine" gets paid from that budget line item, but the Ukrainian government never sees most of it. But they _have_ received weapons and recon, which have been game-changers, so they don't usually complain.
It works like this:
Congress agrees to $50 billion in "military aid to Ukraine". The US Defense Department spends the money on developing a new weapons system, training troops on that system, producing the system, delivering the system to its arsenals. It makes room for that system by removing the older stuff, that was scheduled for decommision. It sends the older stuff to Ukraine.
The older stuff, that it would have had to pay to dispose of, gets sent to Ukraine. Same thing Germany did. Sent them everything they wanted to get rid of.
Another thing the US does, is that it loans Ukraine money, on the condition that Ukraine spend that money buying American arms. (EU does the same thing.) So, it's a defense industry stimulus package. That's why these "presents to Ukraine" often get approved by people who don't like Ukraine: the money actually goes to Americans, not Ukrainians.
The USA has probably made money off of "helping Ukraine", in fact, as everyone can see that the US-made stuff is vastly superior to the Russian-made stuff, and now they're completely swamped with weapons orders for high-grade stuff that goes for like $80 million a pop.
Welcome to the new world order
What in the..
I mean I get that our corrupt agencies and gov supported gain of function research out there and who knows what else but no my brothers and sisters and I aren’t going to die for the warmongering any longer. The US is going to focus on South America as our sphere of control changes. We can no longer babysit the EU. Yes, we caused this problem and for that I do feel bad but it’s not the right move to push a nuclear power into a corner.