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average_bitcoiner

You're good at ditching relevant context and nuance.

Bitcoin is a database.

Lightning is a database.

Same vibes^

captain ☦️ 1y ago

Lightning is not a database

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average_bitcoiner 1y ago

Weird.

See here for clarification.

https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/tree/master/db

fiatjaf 1y ago

I don't know about the rest of the discussion, but Lightning is definitely not a database.

average_bitcoiner 1y ago

My point is saying "Fedimint is a database" is the same as saying "lightning is a database". There are databases involved but manly to handle key material and signing for individual participants.

fiatjaf 1y ago

I see, makes sense.

average_bitcoiner 1y ago

Sidewise we were discussing fedimint is not ecash.

The Bird 1y ago

wouldn't it be a database of transactions?

M0053 1y ago

Yes. Lightning is a hot wallet. And lightning is a maintenance challenge. And lightning is more difficult than bitcoin. But yes I think you're right. It's not a database.

It's trade-offs all the way down no matter what we do... Lightning, liquid, other side chains, drive chains, even atomic swaps with other chains. Trade-offs all the way down.

I run a lightning node tell me yours and I'll open the channel with 5 million sats in it.

Lightning is very good.

Dan 1y ago

Most lightning users and their transactions are updates in a centralized DB.

Framing the discussion around eCash and lightning as if custodial lightning doesn't exists is extremely bad faith.