also, castile soap, made from potassium hydroxide and olive oil is nice, add a little tallow or coconut to give it some froth... just make it a rule, if it's toxic waste, you don't want it on your body

seriously, i am not really that keen on using these detergents either... but idk if you have used Dr Bronners in recent years, it is NOT the soap i first used 18 years ago, not at all, it's total trash now