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Just lost 500 sats

Beware of this crap

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Howd you "lose" 500 sats?

All ecash wallets and mints are risky and you could lose sats, very well publicised.

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Damn, just by the fact alone of removing the mint, you deleted your own money. That is the nature of ecash; it lives locally on your device, "offline", as a JSON file. Therefore, never delete a mint until you are certain all JSON files are transferred to a new mint or spent to a lightning wallet/address.

Next time, try spending the 500 sats from the mint (minibits in this case) to a regular lightning wallet (like wallet of satoshi), then delete the mint after payment is confirmed.

This is ecash workflow (UX) problem*, not a mint or app problem as it seems.

*I actually view this as an feature, not a UX bug. This is because the user HOLDS the sats in ecash itself, locally.

If you ask nicely and help the devs a bit, you may be able to get minibits to give you the 500 sats back.

Also, all mints (currently) run on Lightning, therefore, mint accessibility online can go in and out, and that particular server could say drop its internet for say 0.1% of the time.

>I actually view this as an feature, not a UX bug. This is because the user HOLDS the sats in ecash itself, locally.

wrong. 1000% triple double wrong. the sats are in the mint operator's lightning node. everything in your ecash client is an IOU. they're not real sats. cashu sats aren't bitcoin.

100% agree

I should be more specific; the JSON token IS a Lightning sat IOU. The JSON token is a file that says "so long as you have this JSON file, you can REDEEM said amount of Lightning SATs (NOT a UTXO) from THIS SPECIFIC MINT

& the mint doesn't HAVE TO give you those lightning sats....

Very well known ecash risks.

Thanks for having me clarify.

Bud, I was able to retrieve the 500 sats by receiving the token in Minibits. I dunno what changed 😃😃

LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!!

So that means as long as you have the token, you don't need the mint?? 🤔

No. The token is a IOU receipt to be able to redeem lightning sats from that specific mint.

You have to have the token, and the mint must be online to issue your sats when requested.

The mint "could" rug anyone by not giving the users their sats when asked, just like a bank run

Always keep your mints, always backup your JSON tokens for those mints (minibits is great for downloading backups). Once you know for certain that you "spent" all your ecash notes, and received the sat amount (minus fees, etc.)

Then I'd say go ahead and delete the mint/ecash wallet

Always always always backup your ecash tokens (JSON files)

Cool 👍

I think the mint was offline and came online when I tried the second time

Most likely. This happens quite often

Just apart of Lightning today unfortunately

I feel ya. Lost 3 BTC many years ago due to my own stupidity as well.

I recovered the sats. I had saved the ecash token

When the mint came back online, I was able to receive the sats

So, sorry for dissing you