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I asked a question a few weeks ago it was....

"Okay so you self custody your bitcoin but what about your email"?

The responses I got were well confusing to me. The discussions I have seen since more so. Why do you folks think you will not be able to get past spam filtering if you run an email server?

I have been doing it since the early 00s. It has never been much of a problem. Once in a while we have to validate with say Gmail or Yahoo. This is really hard I admit. Sometimes you have to click a link other times enter a code. Really really complicated I guess.

Let me just say stop believing people that tell you anything is "too hard" or "won't work". Imagine if you had listened to such things about bitcoin.

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𝖋𝖎𝖆𝖙𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖎𝖊𝖗 (¯`◕‿◕´¯) 1y ago

What’s the benefit of running your own mail server?

Jack Spirko 1y ago

Control of your content.

So I use a email client to pull my email. When that happens the client erases the mail left on the server. As long as my home machine is open this happens one time a minute.

If a hacker, the .gov, etc got onto my sever there is never more than 1 minutes worth of mail on it. To truly hack me for data anyway you'd have to get into one computer on my network at my house.

Additionally if anyone from any unapproved location did get into my sever in anyway I know instantly, we can make a few remote changes and they are out.

It isn't perfect and there are vectors of attack to any tech but it is more secure than cloud shit where the cloud provider simply has and uses access to your mail. Or simply gives it to the government.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

Ok so physical server on premises.

Business grade connection given your setup I'm guessing.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

Can you get through to all providers?

Jack Spirko 1y ago

First no I don't have my box at my location, I use colocation hosting but it is my box. The colo company can't even access my files, etc. unless we allow it.

Yes we can "get though to all the providers" and I don't know why people think otherwise. ALMOST EVERY COMPANY IN AMERICA has a website and all their employees are on a self hosted domain and the company runs its own server.

Like I said time to time a thing will come up with some compliance shit to verify but it is no more than clicking a link or filling out a form. It just tells yahoo/gmail, etc. yea we are a legit user.

I mean for all the spam people get, just I don't get how anyone doesn't get it.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

Ok, that would explain it, they are not going to blacklist the IPs of a hosting provider unless they are completely nuts.

Yeah I see no issue with that setup.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

Web servers are a completely different story, they were never really an issue, it was just some stupid policies with email early on used to allegedly "combat spam."

kepford 1y ago

what software are you using. I ran a mail server in the early 2010s and the problem wasn't spam as much as staying off blacklists.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

Depends what you mean by self host.

What do you mean by it? Your own hardware on your own premises? Or hosted on a virtual server somewhere?

Is the net connection residential or business?

Top level domain?

There were practices at the time that automatically blacklisted SMTP servers run on residential networks when the ports themselves were not outright blocked, it wasn't just on residential they were playing those games either & I don't know about Google or Yahoo but Microsoft were doing dodgy filtering as were some of the ISPs here.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

There are still many people who use email providers other than Google & Yahoo, maybe things have changed & they just borrow Google's lists shrug.

Sandor Clegane 1y ago

Makes you wonder why anyone stayed with those doing the dodgy...

Sir Spencer, Wolf of KC 🐺 1y ago

"It's too hard"

"That doesn't scale."

"It needs to be a one-click install"

"All 8 billion people on earth won't use it"

"My mother wouldn't be able to figure this out."

Any one of these is a sign that the other person is dismissing the concept without trying it.