Both @gregghurwitz @jonathanpageau participated by the way in the recent Exodus Seminar https://www.dailywire.com/show/exodus I learned more from that than any seminar I ever took by a large margin. https://nitter.net/pic/card_img%2F1634396089464901638%2FMZjdQdmU%3Fformat%3Djpg%26name%3D800x419