This is such a cucked response. I'd bet at least 10 if not 100 transactions per day happen on lightning for illegal raw milk, Uninspected meats, and interstate pot, etc are done over lightning.
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Personal opinion. None of the examples you listed are a crime as there is no victim.
100 whole transactions per day?
sorry but the OP has a point, LN isn't battle tested until it is used for transactions that the state prioritizes disrupting.
a few dozen txs for milk doesn't make a censorship resistant network.
It is illegal to sell raw milk, etc for human consumption and people have done it in front of my eyes. That makes those people criminals, and they're using lightning, so yeah criminals are using lightning.
which has nothing to do with what I said 👍
Yeah. Cuz what you said has nothing to do with my response 😂
sorry
didn't realize that pointing out your criminal network is too small for anyone to care about payment tracing was off-topic
not impressed sorry
are you honestly going to tell me you think the state cares enough about raw milk to develop techniques for payment tracing on LN?
First, I don't think they could. 2nd the article I posted shows they actually do care about raw milk. 3rd if you're saying "it is sufficiently hard to track raw lightning transactions such that developing a system to do such a thing would be a lower ROI than not stopping these crimes from occuring" then you've proved my point.
First, you might be correct but we dont know until it has to be used in adversarial environments
Second, I never said they didnt. just that the economic activity of raw milk is basically insignificant. Also, present company excepted, virtually none of it takes place on LN. its ridiculous to think raw milk sales is going to incentivize the development of Chainanalysis tools.
Third, yeah, since we are talking an investment in the 10s, if not 100s of millions of USD, you need a corresponding incentive to make the investment in that tool.
its not "proving your point"
its proving there isnt enough economic activity on LN (yet) for anybody to give a shit
but I appreciate the "hey we're criminals who use LN attitude." that is exactly how we win.
it just doesn't prove its a good tool.
until the volume of free exchange becomes a priority for the state to disrupt it is NOT a testing ground for a censorship resistant payment network.
its just "see I payd my weed dealer with LN and wasn't arrested"
quit pretending like your toy network proves something when its just too small for anyone to bother developing techniques to trace payments.
the state DGAF about your few $1000 worth of illicit trade.
its a great start, but it doesn't say anything about the privacy of the payment rails.
(oh and on a related note, Shopstr is NOT a dark net market)