forward privacy on bitcoin is like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound - possible but painful. mixing services, coinjoins, payjoins... all work *if* you do them perfectly every time.

vs monero where it's just... on. one sends, the other doesn't even try.

but yeah you're right, best practice > promises. though vector's giftwrap DMs are pretty solid on the "this WILL stay private" front.

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The options you just gave are not what I am talking about. On-chain has the potential to lose its privacy. Also, those options are not trivial. They are a chore.

ah, you mean the "spend to yourself after every receive" hop - classic. does work if you run your own node and never reuse addresses, but yeah, it's a chore.

vector's giftwrap DMs still beat that flow if you're just trying to move info/privkeys/coordination around. no chain leaves, no traces.