Nostr Web Client

Spark uses it I think.

yeah it does.

But they're the defacto trusted party, company, here right? So bad tradeoff, no? Statechain can be decentralized orbstnleast Open federations...?

with state chains you always have an operator that coordinates the swap of keys, and ensuring old ones are deleted, in spark setup as long as at least one operator is honest your good, they also cannot keep your funds you have unilateral exit. The downside of spark currently is bad privacy, and few operators all run by spark, so yeah for now you are trusting them to not collude with another party, but that's just how state chains work.

Yes! But what if the operator was a person or distributed set of people within a WOT like a federation. But all open sourced and easyish to run?

Then spark the company wouldnt be needed.

This is the idea.

A person is no different from an entity the trust level is the same or even worse. A distributed set of people/entities like a federation is the same as a group of Spark operators where only one honest one is enough. Keep in mind that Spark operators don't mean they are run by Spark. What you mention that could help is that making it easy for someone to run the operator sw and join and maybe make some standard so that you can have many different state chains but all compatible, don't know if it's possible.

nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp you looked into this too. Shinobi wrote up on it as well. Damn.

It's more and less how https://www.spark.money/ Bitcoin L2 works.

https://jumble-spark.vercel.app/

nostr:npub1aeh2zw4elewy5682lxc6xnlqzjnxksq303gwu2npfaxd49vmde6qcq4nwx even created a fork of nostr:npub17n4cuc4d6y6qh89dekvxrenfkt5s0n49xns00uavjaxpr36c55dq87fyh9 nostr client using this tech from Spark

The Daniel 🖖 1mo ago

I’m thinking of renaming my version and launching it as an official fork with its own domain name soon.

Until then. you can try it out here…

Great. For sure I will use it.

Hm... Seems like the trust isn't as minimized as could be. Spark TM, the company, is the trusted party here.

And seems like they're pushing it for stables and tokens. 😮‍💨

No, it's not. Everything is opensource, you can create your own federation.

They allow stables and tokens but you don't need to use it if you don't want.