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It's perfectly reasonable for countries to pick and choose who they accept as new residents and citizens. Irrational hated of one of the most successful parts of American society is a pretty good grounds for not allowing you in.

Besides, when you actually look into the details of these deportations they appear to be pretty much all for more than just saying wrong things. Eg organizing protests involving clearly illegal acts like trespassing on private property, vandalism, violence, material support of terrorists, etc.

rabble 9mo ago

nostr:npub1ej493cmun8y9h3082spg5uvt63jgtewneve526g7e2urca2afrxqm3ndrm the most successful part of American society is military and political support for Israel?

And if somebody commits a crime, they can be arrested, charged, put on trial, get a chance to defend themselves, and then face conviction. If they’re breaking a law, there is a process for that. It’s an important part of the 5th amendment equal protection and due process parts of the constitution. After being convicted for an of the illegal acts you mention, then by all revoke their visa.

But if you’re revoking visas of people for constitutionally protected legal speech without a legal due process, that’s the not consistent with aspirations of what America could be.

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vincinzel 9mo ago

8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)

Any material support for US designated terrorist groups (including disseminating propaganda) is reason enough for non-admission or deportation of non-citizens

Open shut

The real problem isn’t that they’re getting deported, it’s that they were not suitably vetted in the first place.

rabble 9mo ago

But these folks wrote editorials and held protests asking for an end to the war in Gaza. Not in any way endorsing or providing any material support to Hamas.

And even if they did violate that law and provide real material support for Hamas or other designated terrorist organization then they should be arrested, charged, put on trial, and found guilty of that crime. Then and only then would it make sense to revoke their visa. If what they did was illegal then charge them and use that conviction to justify their being deported. Immigrants and permanent residents deserve their day in court and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

vincinzel 9mo ago

But as you said, speech isn’t a crime so there is nothing to charge. We’re talking about visa revocation.

rabble 9mo ago

There’s no grounds for revoking their visa based on constitutionally protected speech. The courts have ruled many times that immigrants have the constitutional right to freedom of speech, assembly, due process, and equal protection under the law.

Either we scrap the constitutional rights and the courts reinterpret the constitution or these people deserve a day in court if the government feels they’ve done something bad enough revoke their visa. And that thing legally can not be what they said or what protest they attended. If they were arrested for say breaking a window at the protest, that’s a crime and they could be charged, put on trial, convicted of that and have their visa revoked. Because of what they did and not what they said.

vincinzel 9mo ago

8 U.S. Code § 1182(a)(3)(B)

I don’t know what to tell you

A visa isn’t a right, it’s a privilege. If you want to keep it, you abide by its terms. One of the terms is you don’t support US designated terror orgs.

You can lie on your visa and say you don’t support the KKK but if the government finds out that you do, your visa is revoked.

rabble 9mo ago

nostr:npub1n0sxxgvsm4hk0utv9russrtj2p08j0wxddk0jasjtd9aulrcz78slkce54 so charge them! If they really supported a terrorist organization then it’ll be easy to get a conviction.

vincinzel 9mo ago

There’s nothing to charge. It’s a violation of visa terms, not a crime. Like overstaying a tourist visa. It doesn’t mean you’re a criminal, just that you violated the terms of your stay and are now eligible for deportation.

DOUG WILSON 9mo ago

Yes. It's all bluster from current admin and many jew lovers.

Peter Todd 9mo ago

Yup.

...and like it or not but almost all "support for Gaza" is just support for Hamas, who are _clearly_ a dangerous terrorist group with a long history of mass murder.

Peter Todd 9mo ago

I'm talking about Jews obviously. They're over-represented in pretty much every worthwhile, productive, part of US society.

There's a wonderful part in the recent Oppenheimer movie where they explicitly discuss how the Nazis are screwing themselves over because so many of their top scientists were Jews. And it's absolutely historically accurate too.

Letting pro-Hamas/anti-Israeli nutjobs force the Jewish population of the US out would be an economic disaster, to say the least.