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Joseph Smith claimed EVERY sect of Christianity in his day was an abomination and all the people therein were corrupt as well. Mormons used to make a distinction between themselves and Christians. "We're Mormons, not Christians", they would say enthusiastically. But now, with the marketing update to seem like their org is a viable option for an evangelical, they have even dropped the Mormon terminology.

You read the Bible but your "scriptures" to it. You claim many plain and precious parts have been removed from it.

Your Christ is the brother of Lucifer, not the incarnate second person of the Triune Godhead who created ALL things out of nothing. Sorry friend, we do not believe in the same Redeemer. Martin Luther is on my side, not yours. He would shudder to hear the abominable doctrine of Smith and Young and your other "prophets" i.e ""As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may become." President Spencer W. Kimball.

Luther understood that man, angels, and God are not the same kind of being in different stages of progression. He understood the Creator-creature distinction, which is central to the Bible you claim to believe.

"I was answered that I must join none of them [the religious sects of the day], for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.”

Joseph Smith

Matthew Duffy 2y ago

I don't know how to quote different sections, so please bear with me. I put quotes around your paragraphs and responded in between.

"Joseph Smith claimed EVERY sect of Christianity in his day was an abomination and all the people therein were corrupt as well. Mormons used to make a distinction between themselves and Christians. "We're Mormons, not Christians", they would say enthusiastically. But now, with the marketing update to seem like their org is a viable option for an evangelical, they have even dropped the Mormon terminology."

That's interesting that you say they would say "We're Mormons not Christians." Do you have references that confirm that? To me it would be "We're Mormons, yes, but Mormon WAS a Christian so we are Christians FIRST."

"You read the Bible but your "scriptures" to it. You claim many plain and precious parts have been removed from it."

Do you honestly believe that nothing from the bible has been corrupted over the millennia since Adam, Abraham, Moses, and the rest started keeping things written down? If you're Catholic then I suppose so, but shouldn't every protestant religion be suspect of what came from the Catholic Church? Again with Martin Luther, he has issue with doctrine but could that have stemmed from a mistranslation of the bible be it intentional or otherwise? Christ himself said there would be a falling away before his return. Wouldn't Satan have taken opportunity during that falling away to twist truths to fit his devices?

"Your Christ is the brother of Lucifer, not the incarnate second person of the Triune Godhead who created ALL things out of nothing. Sorry friend, we do not believe in the same Redeemer. Martin Luther is on my side, not yours. He would shudder to hear the abominable doctrine of Smith and Young and your other "prophets" i.e "As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may become." President Spencer W. Kimball."

This is where we get into the true base distinction of our beliefs from so many others. We don't follow any creeds written by men at councils called by emperors. The Nicean Creed that says all three are in one has no precedence in the Bible. Christ praying to the Father saying that the disciples could be one as he and his father were one doesn't mean that we're all going to be transformed into one giant glob of spiritual energy.

God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose, but three separate beings. God the Father, being the Father of all (right?) had a son, Lucifer, who rebelled. Lucifer was cast out and Christ is our Savior.

Perhaps Martin Luther would have been intrigued to hear the teaching of a Father wanting his children to have what he has. We are to be joint heirs with Christ. (Romans 8:17) I don't pretend to speak for the dead, I was just curious if he felt the way we do for not being called something because of believing a different way.

"Luther understood that man, angels, and God are not the same kind of being in different stages of progression. He understood the Creator-creature distinction, which is central to the Bible you claim to believe."

Again Romans 8:17

As a baby you probably don't know you're going to inherit the massive family fortune, even if you're told every day.

" "I was answered that I must join none of them [the religious sects of the day], for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.”

Joseph Smith"

While this is true and an accurate quote, Joseph and other modern prophets have said that other sects share so many wonderful truths that we believe we can add missing truths to.

We share a belief in a perfect Christ who is the Savior of us all.

We share a belief that it is only because of Christ and his sacrifice on our behalf that we can even hope to be saved.

We share a belief that God and Jesus Christ created this world.

We share a belief that God is God, and all knowing, and all powerful, and will always be our God and no one else will ever be our God.

We share a belief in the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

I was not raised in this church but rather came to it from no religious background. Having read and studied many things I know that I don't know everything and I'm okay with that. That is what faith is for. But I believe we are supposed to do our best to find the truth, and I believe I have found what is closest to the truth. No one anywhere except for God the Father and Jesus is perfect, so I take what they all say and measure it against what Christ said. That's my invitation to everyone is to do the same.

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John 2y ago

Just like with the rest of Mormon doctrine, these quotes from various people and times are contradictory https://www.mrm.org/christianity-quotes

Again, your Christ is not mine. Mine is one essence with the Father and the Spirit, not one of three separate beings (and also an entirely created being himself). The Father does not have a body of flesh and bones. He is not Elohim, a man born on another planet who eventually became a god himself by obeying the god of that planet. All of this is entirely foreign to the biblical faith. You've been ensnared in a belief system that would have you believe that the Apostles and Christ taught the things you believe today, but you couldn't be more wrong.

Sit down and read the entire Bible for yourself without the lens of Mormon doctrine. Read a modern translation like the ESV or LSB. Have you done that? Seek to understand it with fresh eyes as if you were a new convert who is eager to learn what the Word says.

Christ created everything, not only this world. Literally everything that exists was made by Him and is sustained by Him. He didn't organize pre-existent matter.

You need to escape from the false religion you are ensnared in and come to the true Christ, who is the only Christ that can save you. Your best efforts before God merit you absolutely nothing having to do with salvation or forgiveness of sins of any kind. You must trust wholly in the cross and the imputed righteousness of Jesus as the basis of your peace with God.

He kept God's law perfectly. You can't. He suffered the wrath of God in the place of sinners, taking upon Himself their penalty. The true gospel is that by trusting in Christ and what He has done, sinners can have peace with God forever. No mixture of my effort and God's grace (UNmerited favor) will grant me peace with a thrice holy God.

Are you the blessed man of Romans 4:8 to whom the Lord will not take your sins into account? Or is it the case that your sins will be imputed to you if you fail to deny yourself of ALL ungodliness. How are you doing?

D&C 82:7; “And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.”

Isaiah 43:25; “I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.”

God promises to not remember the sins of those who trust in the true Jesus. The false Jesus of Mormonism will forget them temporally, but then lay them back on your shoulders if you stumble in your walk with Him.

"The Nicean Creed that says all three are in one has no precedence in the Bible."

The Trinity is a biblical doctrine first and foremost. 1. Scripture teachers there is one God who created all things and has always been God. 2. Scripture teaches the Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God. 3. Scripture teaches the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, the Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Because of those three truths, I believe the the doctrine of the Trinity.

Matthew Duffy 2y ago

I won't try to convince you with anything because only a witness from the Holy Spirit can pierce the heart.

I don't know how much open minded study you've given to this as opposed to taking in all of the fear and hype. I don't need to read any other translations of the bible because the King James came before Joseph Smith and many other religious people have read it without turning to Mormonism.

There is but one God. All things came from Him.

I wish you peace, and perhaps well see each other at the judgment day.