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الجامع الصغير وزيادته [الجلال السيوطي]

٦٦٤٨ - خَيْرُ أُمَّتِي أوَّلُها وآخِرُها وَفِي وَسَطِها الكَدَرُ(الحكيم) عن أبي الدرداء

Suyuti (Aljami' As Saghir) 6648 the Prophet pbuh said: The best of my nation is its first and last and in between it is the muddiness.

We've been plagued by the Judeo-Christian muddied jurisprudence and it is all built on the idol of the first tyrant and usurper Muawiyah who if God hadn't protected the religion he would've been the reason for it to be wiped and forgotten.

لتتبعن سنن من قبلكن شبرا بشبر وذراعا بذراع حتى لو دخلوا جحر ضب لدخلتموه ، فقالوا الصحابة : يا رسول الله، اليهود والنصارى؟ فأجاب ص: فمن؟

ورواية أخرى : لا تقوم الساعة حتى تأخذ أمتي بأخذ القرون قبلها شبرا بشبر وذراعا بذراع، فقيل: يا رسول اللن، كفارس والروم؟ فقال: ومن الناس إلا أولئك؟

To follow the traditions of those before you, inch by inch and arm by arm, even if they entered a lizard's hole, you would enter it. The Companions said: O Messenger of God, the Jews and Christians? S. replied: Who?

(Meaning the way of their religious practices like extremism, hierarchical religion, worshipping scholars and leaders, forgoing essential parts of deen like governance and such and focusing on prayers and such only with governance being a divine right for the monarch or whatever scholars lie to the people about starting with muawiya who founded this)

Another narration: The Hour will not come until my nation takes the nations before it, inch by inch and arm by arm. It was said: O Messenger of God, like a Persia and Rome? He said: Who are the people except those?

(Meaning the way of their governance monarchy and oppression /dictatorship)

There is a hadith that's been buried with ad hominem based attacks on whoever speaks the truth against a certain "First King in Islam" aka Pharaoh of Ummah and this is the work on this hadith that the prophet pbuh said to Abu Thar and Muawiya that one of them is Pharaoh of this Ummah:

https://t.me/mo2allafaty/30

And we know how that transpired and who fits the description someone who massacred tens of thousands of companions and Muslims in more than one occasion and also murdering in captivity companions like Adi ibn Hatim. Who can stand by saying they read the Qur'an and apply it but forget to do that when it's a supposed companion who is not amongst the early muhajireen and ansar who are by Quran guaranteed heaven obviously but this guy only became "muslim" when the sword was on his and his father's necks the last holdout quraysh kafir aggressor leaders at the opening of makkah close to the end of revelation and death of the prophet pbuh.

TLDR: Muawiyah = "Pharaoh of Ummah"—muddied Islam's middle era (per Hadith 6648: best 1st/last, middle muddied) by founding tyrannical monarchy/hierarchy like Jews/Christians/Persians/Romans; late convert, massacred companions. Return to prophetic purity!

(Library refuting monarchy, wahhabism, dictatorship, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, and proving democracy, self determination, scientific method to Qur'an and Prophetic Sunnah, Medina Constitution, and more)

Libraries of Islamic Governance Revival Research into Islamic history and hadith and guided by Qur'an waiting to be discussed, debated, refuted possibly, etc:

Arabic: https://t.me/mo2allafaty

https://t.me/tajdeedbooks

English: https://github.com/IslamicRevival/Tajdeed-English-Books

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I haven't changed my bio since converting and I still consider myself a Libertarian. Essentially, I obey Allah and I would obey the prophets if they were around.

When it comes to other humans, they have proven to be unreliable (even some of the companions / contemporaries of the prophet).

See 6:159

Notice how the word translated as "sects" (شِيَعًا) meant "groups/factions/parties".

Source:

https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=$yE#(6:159:6)

And this is where we still are today. We can hear: “These guys out there are not our brothers. They are not real Muslims.”

But who are we to judge them? Who is going to judge us on the Day of Judgement?

Absolutely brother, God bless you. And notice how Pharoah was using the Divide and Conquer method "made them sects/factions" this what we see from after the prophet pbuh till now especially the time when the caliphate/shura/democracy/etc was usurped by Muawiya and he used the same method to fool the levant people then used it when he was in power and also claimed only people of his tribe Quraysh could rule, etc. A whole lot of things that went down straying away from Quran and the Prophetic model of freedom, theodemocracy, autonomy and independence rights and self determination for whoever with guidelines and ways to show what is better but not enforced. Even the Abu bakr wars were mostly not for the mainstream reasons and he might've also made mistakes including accepting caliphate in that weird semi-unshuratic way but of course doesn't mean he was bad he just made mistakes and he is one of the early Muslims muhajireen and ansar who are guaranteed heaven even if they do mistakes it is just that not of ill belief. The problem is with the people not standing up to any big mistake and changing course as a collective and accountability. BTW even Abu bakr ra wanted people to make him accountable even by the sword and he wouldn't accept to rule unless with that. That shows the different class of thinking but doesn't mean they don't do big mistakes that accumulate until we get an easy ready made usurpation of the People's will and rights and freedoms by someone who didn't even become "Muslim" until the sword was on his neck and he isn't included in the السابقين الأولين من المهاجرين والأنصار the famous verse about the early Muslims of immigrants(muhajireen) and allies(Ansar) whih btw includes the early negashi ruler of Abyssenia who protected the muslims and became one secretly and the Prophet pbuh prayed on his death in absence ra.

BTW i do also consider myself a libertarian muslim. Even though i believe Islam is itself mostly or completely libertarian but sometimes it might be clearer to use the label because of the so much accumulated ignorance of fiqh and scholars that juat accumulate and not research and try to understand the Qur'an and Sunnah within the Qur'an not against it. Because Sunnah is filled with fake "Authentic" hadiths that when you verify them and study them a bit using unbiased hadith/history science method would expose it. For example why would you accept a hadith from someone who slaughters innocent people whether Muslim or not and, etc when you apply the basic Qur'anic principles of no aggression and no tyranny/compulsion / known liars, etc and ignore the misclassification of excluding people just because they have a different sect or way of thinking or political opinion, etc like what they said about scholars who were in favor of ali against Muawiya the usurper genocider they juat called them shia and excluded them in hadtihs saying they're weak just because of that 🤣😅.

Some people will say you're not a Muslim if you question the authenticity of ahadith they consider authentic.