True. It's difficult to push back on that without getting in to moralizing. I mean, there is a mute button on Nostr for a reason, a reason we have locks on doors, and blinds on windows. We have the concept of a spiritual awakening, and that implies the minds who are still asleep. As much as their chaos is an expression of thrle universe, and that suffering is a way of looking at the world, pain is still real, and it hurts.